Re: Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

Mark Kenworthy

Having the repeater on some sort of public property makes good sense, keeps the site secure for a long time.


-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Dan Pflugrath
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

The water tower in Duvall looks good into Carnation if the antenna is mounted on top. No Cross Bands needed. When Jerry ran a simplex test when we moved the Duvall Repeater to Bell's he was at ground level. The water tower allows us to clear the hump.

A very good long term solution is to place the repeater on King Mountain. The antenna does not need to be up on the tower, very little snow, easy hike if necessary but a drive up with permission. It could be mounted on the equipment building and have excellent coverage from Monroe to Fall City. It might work into Snoqualmie and North Bend as well but would need to be checked or covered with the Cross Band.

I ran all these simulations when placing the Duvall Repeater at Bell's. I did not know about King Mountain at the time.


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

An easy way to clear the hump is to site gear (either the Carnation Crossband or the repeater itself) at my place. I’m more or less directly uphill from Chuck and Lindy’s place. Altitude at ground level is about 500-510 feet.
For those who want to fiddle around with coverage tools my lat/long is N47.675 W 121.885.

I’ve got a GP-6 up at about 25 feet AGL that we can use to do coverage testing. I have no trouble hitting the Big Rock crossband at Shawn’s place with a handy-talkie and a duck, five watts standing on the ground.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...> wrote:

Just a couple thoughts.
1) Add some height to the antenna at the Cross Band repeater location at Chucks place to get over the hump between Chucks and Duvall. If that works there is a clear shot to the whole valley. The hump is what isolates Carnation and Duvall for any location on the east side of the valley.

2) Put the repeater antenna on top of the water tower in Duvall. If you can hit Carnation you again have a clear shot at the whole valley.

You can use Google Earth to run lines between the different locations and see what the topography profile looks like. IF there is much of a hill between the two locations you will most likely have a problem with propogation.


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Shawn
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

there's a few ways to do propagation studies GPS numbers and altitude
for potential sites would be awesome. We can run the numbers based on
the shot mast we currently have at the bell site, as well as possibly
taller masts.


On 7/21/2018 9:04 PM, Ken Kosters wrote:
Have a couple ideas but would be nice to run some propagation mapping
before testing. I don't have software for this but can give locations
to those that might.


On Jul 21, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...
<mailto:w7pfb@...>> wrote:

Trying to think long term: if we could pick a site that made linking
the 441.825 and 443.250 repeaters straightforward, is that something
we would pursue? Is it desirable?

We don’t have a lot of time to get the repeater off the Bell site
but that doesn’t mean we have to rush selecting a new site. It
would be useful to have a wish list to evaluate potential sites against.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Jul 21, 2018, at 7:53 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...
<mailto:w7pfb@...>> wrote:

One possible site which seems like it merits some examination is
the City of Carnation evacuation site at the south end of Tolt
River Highlands.

* site is central to the lower Snoqualmie Valley rather than more
toward the north end as the Bell site is.
* it’s not clear to me 120VAC power is available
* site does not cover the area east of the valley and north of NE
124th Ave NE as well as the Bell site does.
* site has good exposure for solar power.
* we’d really want every last bit of elevation we could get on an
antenna on that site. Even a 30’ mast would help.
* if we put the repeater there, we’d want to evaluate whether the
Carnation and Big Rock crossband repeaters ought to be relocated as
well. We’d probably want to find a site on the west side of the
valley for a crossband (Carnation Farm comes to mind as a possible
site for a crossband, or indeed as a site for the repeater.

* site has a pretty good view of the valley proper.
* site owner is the City of Carnation, and we already have a good
relationship with the city.

A good assessment of how well the repeater would cover the valley
from that site would be relatively easy and would be a good thing
to have on hand regardless, as it’s an obvious location for a
crossband in the event we have a big event.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:56 PM, W7ABD <w7abd1@...
<mailto:w7abd1@...>> wrote:

The property where the Bell Repeater is currently located is being
sold. We must have the repeater removed from the site by 9/15/18.

Criteria for new location of the repeater:

1) Must have good line of site to the Snoqualmie Valley with good
propagation from Fall City to Monroe.

2) Must be located at higher elevation than the surrounding valley

3) Must have access to 120 VAC Single Phase 5 Amp Utility Power
during the winter months.

4) Club must have 7/24 hour access to the site.

If anyone has an idea where we can relocate the repeater, please
feel free to reply to this message.



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