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Re: DMR Codeplugs... who wants a process?
Ryan - KJ7GIE
I have consistently decent reception from Cougar Mtn. I can also reach East Tiger. I will test Rattlesnake Ridge this weekend but I've not had much luck in that direction from my house. http://www.pnwdigital.net/repeaters.html
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Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM
I have no plans on climbing a tower anytime soon, but I would be interested in his presentation. Sounds scary and fascinating... On Aug 13, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Robin Amundson < wa7cpa@...> wrote:
On Tuesday evening K1IR from Massachusetts gave a shocking, well-researched, and very riveting presentation on amateur tower climbing accidents and what can be learned from them, how to prevent, etc. He was one of the best Zoom presenters hands-down, with a fantastic slide show. He is on a mission to educate and prevent tower climbing accidents among radio amateurs. If interested, I will reach out to him to see if he will present. The DX club had 29 participants, quite a few more than we have been having. I would hope we could get at least 15-20. He presented at 10 p.m. his time in MA, so he is very gracious in giving his time.
73,
Robin, WA7CPA
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I think this is a great idea. Towers can be killers if the untrained attempt to climb them.
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 9:22 AM Robin Amundson < wa7cpa@...> wrote: On Tuesday evening K1IR from Massachusetts gave a shocking, well-researched, and very riveting presentation on amateur tower climbing accidents and what can be learned from them, how to prevent, etc. He was one of the best Zoom presenters hands-down, with a fantastic slide show. He is on a mission to educate and prevent tower climbing accidents among radio amateurs. If interested, I will reach out to him to see if he will present. The DX club had 29 participants, quite a few more than we have been having. I would hope we could get at least 15-20. He presented at 10 p.m. his time in MA, so he is very gracious in giving his time.
73,
Robin, WA7CPA
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Re: DMR Codeplugs... who wants a process?
Following, Ryan. Which DMR repeater are you using?
73, Robin, WA7CPA
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 12:26 PM Ryan - KJ7GIE < rsm@...> wrote: I dropped the ball on this as I said I'd do it and then just didn't get around to it. I don't have a "conventional" way of creating a codeplug for my radio. What I do is I take all the PNWDigital repeaters, talkgroups, etc. and I export them as text files. I then shift their slot locations and shove the SnoVARC recommended repeater list to the top into an "Home" group. Then I import the text files into radio programming software.
This has a couple advantages over the "conventional" way of doing things.
1) Import does not touch the "user" specific config of the radio. In DMR there is the concept of a radio ID and if you simply pass codeplugs around this area of the radio has to be reconfigured every time you open someone else's codeplug.
2) Because I'm importing / exporting text files (really CSV) you can easily manipulate the files and identify what's in the "config" before having to deal with the software (the radio software is a bit of a PITA). Codeplugs are not human readable.
3) If you have any background with basic scripting and file manipulation its easy to inject / remove areas of the config automagically to suite your individual needs.
4) probably some other advantages I'm forgetting.
OK, so... why are you reading this / why am I writing this...
I recently got a brand new AnyTone 878 which is sort of the preferred / standard radio for DMR. I've not had a chance to program it yet so I'm starting from zero. Additionally, I realized my Baofeng 6x2 radio is about a year old in its firmware and requires an update (which wipes out the programming). This means I've got two radios, similar but different, that need complete DMR codeplug builds.
I will document the steps I take for each of these and share with the group. I'll also share the importable files I generate if you want to follow along for your own DMR radio. I could also, possibly, hold a session to help others if they want to follow the same procedure.
Anything you'd like to see specifically covered in the documentation? I've been doing the DMR "thing" since I started my journey a year+ ago and that puts me at a disadvantage for remembering some of the things I wish I knew back then. If you have questions or want me to document something specific please reach out and I'll certainly include it.
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DMR Codeplugs... who wants a process?
Ryan - KJ7GIE
I dropped the ball on this as I said I'd do it and then just didn't get around to it. I don't have a "conventional" way of creating a codeplug for my radio. What I do is I take all the PNWDigital repeaters, talkgroups, etc. and I export them as text files. I then shift their slot locations and shove the SnoVARC recommended repeater list to the top into an "Home" group. Then I import the text files into radio programming software.
This has a couple advantages over the "conventional" way of doing things.
1) Import does not touch the "user" specific config of the radio. In DMR there is the concept of a radio ID and if you simply pass codeplugs around this area of the radio has to be reconfigured every time you open someone else's codeplug.
2) Because I'm importing / exporting text files (really CSV) you can easily manipulate the files and identify what's in the "config" before having to deal with the software (the radio software is a bit of a PITA). Codeplugs are not human readable.
3) If you have any background with basic scripting and file manipulation its easy to inject / remove areas of the config automagically to suite your individual needs.
4) probably some other advantages I'm forgetting.
OK, so... why are you reading this / why am I writing this...
I recently got a brand new AnyTone 878 which is sort of the preferred / standard radio for DMR. I've not had a chance to program it yet so I'm starting from zero. Additionally, I realized my Baofeng 6x2 radio is about a year old in its firmware and requires an update (which wipes out the programming). This means I've got two radios, similar but different, that need complete DMR codeplug builds.
I will document the steps I take for each of these and share with the group. I'll also share the importable files I generate if you want to follow along for your own DMR radio. I could also, possibly, hold a session to help others if they want to follow the same procedure.
Anything you'd like to see specifically covered in the documentation? I've been doing the DMR "thing" since I started my journey a year+ ago and that puts me at a disadvantage for remembering some of the things I wish I knew back then. If you have questions or want me to document something specific please reach out and I'll certainly include it.
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I would be interested. Thanks Robin!
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-------- Original Message -------- On Aug 13, 2020, 9:21 AM, Robin Amundson < wa7cpa@...> wrote:
On Tuesday evening K1IR from Massachusetts gave a shocking, well-researched, and very riveting presentation on amateur tower climbing accidents and what can be learned from them, how to prevent, etc. He was one of the best Zoom presenters hands-down, with a fantastic slide show. He is on a mission to educate and prevent tower climbing accidents among radio amateurs. If interested, I will reach out to him to see if he will present. The DX club had 29 participants, quite a few more than we have been having. I would hope we could get at least 15-20. He presented at 10 p.m. his time in MA, so he is very gracious in giving his time.
73,
Robin, WA7CPA
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On Tuesday evening K1IR from Massachusetts gave a shocking, well-researched, and very riveting presentation on amateur tower climbing accidents and what can be learned from them, how to prevent, etc. He was one of the best Zoom presenters hands-down, with a fantastic slide show. He is on a mission to educate and prevent tower climbing accidents among radio amateurs. If interested, I will reach out to him to see if he will present. The DX club had 29 participants, quite a few more than we have been having. I would hope we could get at least 15-20. He presented at 10 p.m. his time in MA, so he is very gracious in giving his time.
73,
Robin, WA7CPA
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I think 2 can be connected at one time.
How many people can sign into echolink for the cougar repeater?
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Rowland
How many people can sign into echolink for the cougar repeater?
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Rowland
Kathy is supposed to do the netcontrol this Thursday but we will be in Eastern Washington. It might be interesting for her to try and do it using echolink from There. It will be a little slower to manage but interesting to try. I believe Jim is her backup and Tom said he will help also if needed. So if she is not successful one of them will take over. This will be an interesting test for echolink. Please remember it will take additional time for her to respond to each check in using echolink so have patience. -- Thanks,
Rowland
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Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM
Success!
Thank you Ralph for the peer-to-peer test. We had no problem communicating peer-to-peer on 2 meters.... but... we could not connect on 70cm... just too much dirt and vegetation... so lesson learned -
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Yes! We should try on 2 meters first. We can talk by phone first. Will email you my phone number.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 3:16 PM Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote: Ralph,
Im wondering if you can try Peer to Peer Vara FM with me. Im not sure Im getting to Paul's Vara FM RMS and would like to verify my setup before I schlep everything to carnation. I have had trouble before with reaching him via Simplex as I think there is either dirt or topography messing with me. Let me know if you'd be up to test it out
Howard
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Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM
Ralph,
Im wondering if you can try Peer to Peer Vara FM with me. Im not sure Im getting to Paul's Vara FM RMS and would like to verify my setup before I schlep everything to carnation. I have had trouble before with reaching him via Simplex as I think there is either dirt or topography messing with me. Let me know if you'd be up to test it out
Howard
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On Aug 11, 2020, at 1:16 PM, Ralph Lease <ralph.lease@...> wrote:
Paul Just wanted to let you know that I used the narrow mode with VARA Fm. My sound card is configured as narrow. Did the emails come through ok?
Ralph On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 1:03 PM Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote: The FM version of VARA in wide mode uses the entire 6kHz of bandwidth that you get when you bypass the audio filtering and inject the signal directly into the FM modulator in a VHF/UHF radio. That’s why you need to use the 9600 baud packet connection on the back of the radio.
The HF version in wide mode uses the entire 2.5kHz of bandwidth that you get from an SSB transmitter/receiver.
You’d have no trouble fitting the 2.5kHz wide signal of VARA HF into an VHF/UHF FM channel, I would think.
But my expectations are that the FM version is also tuned to the different noise and fade characteristics of FM as opposed to those of HF SSB.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
On Aug 10, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
I was reading some threads on groups up about Vara fm on 10meters and ran across this statement that for me wondering if there is a difference between Vara HF an "The badge FM did cause some confusion , the modem is designed to be conveyed via 'ssb' or 'fm , where as the FM version can only be conveyed , via FM, the HF version is able to accommodate all transmission modes and paths."
Excuse my typos - sent via my thumbs or by voice from a mobile device On Aug 10, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:
I hope you are right Paul- it’s really hard to debug what’s wrong,if anything at all, if my signal is simply not reaching you. When I get time I'll drive out to Carnation and try it from there to rule out signal issues.
On Aug 10, 2020, at 8:44 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
I suspect the problem Howard is having now is that the RMS station is on an antenna that is lower than the one I heard his signals on today.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
I got the shift worked out too but still can’t connect- I’m thinking it’s the Yaesu setup. More head banging for me
On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
I can’t claim credit. Howard was having problems and pointed out that his radio was automatically applying a shift. Which got me thinking, maybe that was Ralph’s problem.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
ok, I'll fess up. Paul solved my problem of not transmitting on the 70cm band. My radio had the positive shift "+" enabled. Therefore I was not transmitting on 440.850. It was really transmitting on 445.850 and listening on 440.850. I have saved the frequency and the settings to a memory channel for future use so I don't screw it up.
There are days I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but I try to be persistent. Days like today make the lessons stick.
Thank you Paul for sticking with me to solve this problem.
73 all, Ralph Ralph here. I just connected with Paul via VARA FM on pier to pier at frequency 145.640. I'm having trouble with my sound card working on 2m but not at 70cm. I don't have a clue as to why it is not sending any audio at 70cm. At this point 2m is ok by me as this test seemed to work.
Paul: I sent 2 emails so hopefully they arrived as the software attested to.
73, Ralph
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote: Sheesh. Should read ‘9600 baud packet and 1200 baud packet are not compatible’.
Clearly I need to drink more coffee. -p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun! On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:
9600 baud packet and 1200 baud packet are not incompatible.
From what I understand a station running VARA FM Narrow can connect to a VARA FM Wide station, everything just goes more slowly than wide to wide.
Packet and VARA are entirely separate. So the VARA configuration does not affect the packet configuration at all and vice versa. -p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun! On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
Are we sure that a system set up for 9600 will accept narrow band? I note that many of the Seattle frequencies separate the two. I wonder if that’s because 9600 is not downward compatible with 1200 On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Shawn / K7ATA < shawn@...> wrote:
Not connecting at all on packet, not sure if it can even hear me.--Shawn--K7ATAOn 8/10/2020 1:22 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) wrote: know several folks are trying to get VARA FM working with Winlink. One of the problems everyone has is that there’s only one RMS station even close, and none of us can reach it.
So I’m happy to report that I now have a temporary fix, which is that my UHF Winlink RMS has been resurrected and is running VARA FM.
W7PFB-10, 440.850, running VARA FM Wide and at least in theory also running 1200 baud packet.
If you try to use it, please let me know how it went, regardless of outcome. Getting this working definitely involved creating a few new head-sized dents in the walls of my shack, so I’m not entirely convinced it’s all set up correctly. Feedback is appreciated!
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
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Paul Just wanted to let you know that I used the narrow mode with VARA Fm. My sound card is configured as narrow. Did the emails come through ok?
Ralph
On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 1:03 PM Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote: The FM version of VARA in wide mode uses the entire 6kHz of bandwidth that you get when you bypass the audio filtering and inject the signal directly into the FM modulator in a VHF/UHF radio. That’s why you need to use the 9600 baud packet connection on the back of the radio.
The HF version in wide mode uses the entire 2.5kHz of bandwidth that you get from an SSB transmitter/receiver.
You’d have no trouble fitting the 2.5kHz wide signal of VARA HF into an VHF/UHF FM channel, I would think.
But my expectations are that the FM version is also tuned to the different noise and fade characteristics of FM as opposed to those of HF SSB.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
On Aug 10, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
I was reading some threads on groups up about Vara fm on 10meters and ran across this statement that for me wondering if there is a difference between Vara HF an "The badge FM did cause some confusion , the modem is designed to be conveyed via 'ssb' or 'fm , where as the FM version can only be conveyed , via FM, the HF version is able to accommodate all transmission modes and paths."
Excuse my typos - sent via my thumbs or by voice from a mobile device On Aug 10, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:
I hope you are right Paul- it’s really hard to debug what’s wrong,if anything at all, if my signal is simply not reaching you. When I get time I'll drive out to Carnation and try it from there to rule out signal issues.
On Aug 10, 2020, at 8:44 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
I suspect the problem Howard is having now is that the RMS station is on an antenna that is lower than the one I heard his signals on today.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
I got the shift worked out too but still can’t connect- I’m thinking it’s the Yaesu setup. More head banging for me
On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
I can’t claim credit. Howard was having problems and pointed out that his radio was automatically applying a shift. Which got me thinking, maybe that was Ralph’s problem.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
ok, I'll fess up. Paul solved my problem of not transmitting on the 70cm band. My radio had the positive shift "+" enabled. Therefore I was not transmitting on 440.850. It was really transmitting on 445.850 and listening on 440.850. I have saved the frequency and the settings to a memory channel for future use so I don't screw it up.
There are days I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but I try to be persistent. Days like today make the lessons stick.
Thank you Paul for sticking with me to solve this problem.
73 all, Ralph Ralph here. I just connected with Paul via VARA FM on pier to pier at frequency 145.640. I'm having trouble with my sound card working on 2m but not at 70cm. I don't have a clue as to why it is not sending any audio at 70cm. At this point 2m is ok by me as this test seemed to work.
Paul: I sent 2 emails so hopefully they arrived as the software attested to.
73, Ralph
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote: Sheesh. Should read ‘9600 baud packet and 1200 baud packet are not compatible’.
Clearly I need to drink more coffee. -p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun! On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:
9600 baud packet and 1200 baud packet are not incompatible.
From what I understand a station running VARA FM Narrow can connect to a VARA FM Wide station, everything just goes more slowly than wide to wide.
Packet and VARA are entirely separate. So the VARA configuration does not affect the packet configuration at all and vice versa. -p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun! On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
Are we sure that a system set up for 9600 will accept narrow band? I note that many of the Seattle frequencies separate the two. I wonder if that’s because 9600 is not downward compatible with 1200 On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Shawn / K7ATA < shawn@...> wrote:
Not connecting at all on packet, not sure if it can even hear me.--Shawn--K7ATAOn 8/10/2020 1:22 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) wrote: know several folks are trying to get VARA FM working with Winlink. One of the problems everyone has is that there’s only one RMS station even close, and none of us can reach it.
So I’m happy to report that I now have a temporary fix, which is that my UHF Winlink RMS has been resurrected and is running VARA FM.
W7PFB-10, 440.850, running VARA FM Wide and at least in theory also running 1200 baud packet.
If you try to use it, please let me know how it went, regardless of outcome. Getting this working definitely involved creating a few new head-sized dents in the walls of my shack, so I’m not entirely convinced it’s all set up correctly. Feedback is appreciated!
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
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The FM version of VARA in wide mode uses the entire 6kHz of bandwidth that you get when you bypass the audio filtering and inject the signal directly into the FM modulator in a VHF/UHF radio. That’s why you need to use the 9600 baud packet connection on the back of the radio.
The HF version in wide mode uses the entire 2.5kHz of bandwidth that you get from an SSB transmitter/receiver.
You’d have no trouble fitting the 2.5kHz wide signal of VARA HF into an VHF/UHF FM channel, I would think.
But my expectations are that the FM version is also tuned to the different noise and fade characteristics of FM as opposed to those of HF SSB.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
On Aug 10, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
I was reading some threads on groups up about Vara fm on 10meters and ran across this statement that for me wondering if there is a difference between Vara HF an "The badge FM did cause some confusion , the modem is designed to be conveyed via 'ssb' or 'fm , where as the FM version can only be conveyed , via FM, the HF version is able to accommodate all transmission modes and paths."
Excuse my typos - sent via my thumbs or by voice from a mobile device On Aug 10, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:
I hope you are right Paul- it’s really hard to debug what’s wrong,if anything at all, if my signal is simply not reaching you. When I get time I'll drive out to Carnation and try it from there to rule out signal issues.
On Aug 10, 2020, at 8:44 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
I suspect the problem Howard is having now is that the RMS station is on an antenna that is lower than the one I heard his signals on today.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
I got the shift worked out too but still can’t connect- I’m thinking it’s the Yaesu setup. More head banging for me
On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
I can’t claim credit. Howard was having problems and pointed out that his radio was automatically applying a shift. Which got me thinking, maybe that was Ralph’s problem.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
ok, I'll fess up. Paul solved my problem of not transmitting on the 70cm band. My radio had the positive shift "+" enabled. Therefore I was not transmitting on 440.850. It was really transmitting on 445.850 and listening on 440.850. I have saved the frequency and the settings to a memory channel for future use so I don't screw it up.
There are days I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but I try to be persistent. Days like today make the lessons stick.
Thank you Paul for sticking with me to solve this problem.
73 all, Ralph Ralph here. I just connected with Paul via VARA FM on pier to pier at frequency 145.640. I'm having trouble with my sound card working on 2m but not at 70cm. I don't have a clue as to why it is not sending any audio at 70cm. At this point 2m is ok by me as this test seemed to work.
Paul: I sent 2 emails so hopefully they arrived as the software attested to.
73, Ralph
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote: Sheesh. Should read ‘9600 baud packet and 1200 baud packet are not compatible’.
Clearly I need to drink more coffee. -p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun! On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:
9600 baud packet and 1200 baud packet are not incompatible.
From what I understand a station running VARA FM Narrow can connect to a VARA FM Wide station, everything just goes more slowly than wide to wide.
Packet and VARA are entirely separate. So the VARA configuration does not affect the packet configuration at all and vice versa. -p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun! On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
Are we sure that a system set up for 9600 will accept narrow band? I note that many of the Seattle frequencies separate the two. I wonder if that’s because 9600 is not downward compatible with 1200 On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Shawn / K7ATA < shawn@...> wrote:
Not connecting at all on packet, not sure if it can even hear me.--Shawn--K7ATAOn 8/10/2020 1:22 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) wrote: know several folks are trying to get VARA FM working with Winlink. One of the problems everyone has is that there’s only one RMS station even close, and none of us can reach it.
So I’m happy to report that I now have a temporary fix, which is that my UHF Winlink RMS has been resurrected and is running VARA FM.
W7PFB-10, 440.850, running VARA FM Wide and at least in theory also running 1200 baud packet.
If you try to use it, please let me know how it went, regardless of outcome. Getting this working definitely involved creating a few new head-sized dents in the walls of my shack, so I’m not entirely convinced it’s all set up correctly. Feedback is appreciated!
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
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I was reading some threads on groups.io about Vara fm on 10meters and ran across this statement that got me wondering if there is a difference between Vara HF and FM ....
"The badge FM did cause some confusion , the modem is designed to be conveyed via 'ssb' or 'fm , where as the FM version can only be conveyed , via FM, the HF version is able to accommodate all transmission modes and paths."
Excuse my typos - sent via my thumbs or by voice from a mobile device
On Aug 10, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:
I hope you are right Paul- it’s really hard to debug what’s wrong,if anything at all, if my signal is simply not reaching you. When I get time I'll drive out to Carnation and try it from there to rule out signal issues.
On Aug 10, 2020, at 8:44 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
I suspect the problem Howard is having now is that the RMS station is on an antenna that is lower than the one I heard his signals on today.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
I got the shift worked out too but still can’t connect- I’m thinking it’s the Yaesu setup. More head banging for me
On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
I can’t claim credit. Howard was having problems and pointed out that his radio was automatically applying a shift. Which got me thinking, maybe that was Ralph’s problem.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
ok, I'll fess up. Paul solved my problem of not transmitting on the 70cm band. My radio had the positive shift "+" enabled. Therefore I was not transmitting on 440.850. It was really transmitting on 445.850 and listening on 440.850. I have saved the frequency and the settings to a memory channel for future use so I don't screw it up.
There are days I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but I try to be persistent. Days like today make the lessons stick.
Thank you Paul for sticking with me to solve this problem.
73 all,
Ralph
Ralph here. I just connected with Paul via VARA FM on pier to pier at frequency 145.640. I'm having trouble with my sound card working on 2m but not at 70cm. I don't have a clue as to why it is not sending any audio at 70cm. At this point 2m is ok by me as this test seemed to work.
Paul: I sent 2 emails so hopefully they arrived as the software attested to.
73,
Ralph
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:
Sheesh. Should read ‘9600 baud packet and 1200 baud packet are not compatible’.
Clearly I need to drink more coffee.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:
9600 baud packet and 1200 baud packet are not incompatible.
From what I understand a station running VARA FM Narrow can connect to a VARA FM Wide station, everything just goes more slowly than wide to wide.
Packet and VARA are entirely separate. So the VARA configuration does not affect the packet configuration at all and vice versa.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
Are we sure that a system set up for 9600 will accept narrow band? I note that many of the Seattle frequencies separate the two. I wonder if that’s because 9600 is not downward compatible with 1200
On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Shawn / K7ATA < shawn@...> wrote:
Not connecting at all on packet, not sure if it can even hear me.--Shawn--K7ATAOn 8/10/2020 1:22 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) wrote:
know several folks are trying to get VARA FM working with Winlink. One of the problems everyone has is that there’s only one RMS station even close, and none of us can reach it.
So I’m happy to report that I now have a temporary fix, which is that my UHF Winlink RMS has been resurrected and is running VARA FM.
W7PFB-10, 440.850, running VARA FM Wide and at least in theory also running 1200 baud packet.
If you try to use it, please let me know how it went, regardless of outcome. Getting this working definitely involved creating a few new head-sized dents in the walls of my shack, so I’m not entirely convinced it’s all set up correctly. Feedback is appreciated!
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
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Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM
I hope you are right Paul- it’s really hard to debug what’s wrong,if anything at all, if my signal is simply not reaching you. When I get time I'll drive out to Carnation and try it from there to rule out signal issues.
On Aug 10, 2020, at 8:44 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
I suspect the problem Howard is having now is that the RMS station is on an antenna that is lower than the one I heard his signals on today.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
I got the shift worked out too but still can’t connect- I’m thinking it’s the Yaesu setup. More head banging for me
On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
I can’t claim credit. Howard was having problems and pointed out that his radio was automatically applying a shift. Which got me thinking, maybe that was Ralph’s problem.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
ok, I'll fess up. Paul solved my problem of not transmitting on the 70cm band. My radio had the positive shift "+" enabled. Therefore I was not transmitting on 440.850. It was really transmitting on 445.850 and listening on 440.850. I have saved the frequency and the settings to a memory channel for future use so I don't screw it up.
There are days I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but I try to be persistent. Days like today make the lessons stick.
Thank you Paul for sticking with me to solve this problem.
73 all, Ralph Ralph here. I just connected with Paul via VARA FM on pier to pier at frequency 145.640. I'm having trouble with my sound card working on 2m but not at 70cm. I don't have a clue as to why it is not sending any audio at 70cm. At this point 2m is ok by me as this test seemed to work.
Paul: I sent 2 emails so hopefully they arrived as the software attested to.
73, Ralph
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote: Sheesh. Should read ‘9600 baud packet and 1200 baud packet are not compatible’.
Clearly I need to drink more coffee. -p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun! On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:
9600 baud packet and 1200 baud packet are not incompatible.
From what I understand a station running VARA FM Narrow can connect to a VARA FM Wide station, everything just goes more slowly than wide to wide.
Packet and VARA are entirely separate. So the VARA configuration does not affect the packet configuration at all and vice versa. -p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun! On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
Are we sure that a system set up for 9600 will accept narrow band? I note that many of the Seattle frequencies separate the two. I wonder if that’s because 9600 is not downward compatible with 1200 On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Shawn / K7ATA < shawn@...> wrote:
Not connecting at all on packet, not sure if it can even hear me.--Shawn--K7ATAOn 8/10/2020 1:22 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) wrote: know several folks are trying to get VARA FM working with Winlink. One of the problems everyone has is that there’s only one RMS station even close, and none of us can reach it.
So I’m happy to report that I now have a temporary fix, which is that my UHF Winlink RMS has been resurrected and is running VARA FM.
W7PFB-10, 440.850, running VARA FM Wide and at least in theory also running 1200 baud packet.
If you try to use it, please let me know how it went, regardless of outcome. Getting this working definitely involved creating a few new head-sized dents in the walls of my shack, so I’m not entirely convinced it’s all set up correctly. Feedback is appreciated!
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
.
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Howard Mahran (425) 864-5104 ***********************************
-- ************************* Howard E. Mahran WA1HEM (425) 864 - 5104 *************************
-- ************************* Howard E. Mahran WA1HEM (425) 864 - 5104 *************************
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Howard E. Mahran
WA1HEM
(425) 864 - 5104
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I suspect the problem Howard is having now is that the RMS station is on an antenna that is lower than the one I heard his signals on today.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
I got the shift worked out too but still can’t connect- I’m thinking it’s the Yaesu setup. More head banging for me
On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
I can’t claim credit. Howard was having problems and pointed out that his radio was automatically applying a shift. Which got me thinking, maybe that was Ralph’s problem.
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
ok, I'll fess up. Paul solved my problem of not transmitting on the 70cm band. My radio had the positive shift "+" enabled. Therefore I was not transmitting on 440.850. It was really transmitting on 445.850 and listening on 440.850. I have saved the frequency and the settings to a memory channel for future use so I don't screw it up.
There are days I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but I try to be persistent. Days like today make the lessons stick.
Thank you Paul for sticking with me to solve this problem.
73 all, Ralph Ralph here. I just connected with Paul via VARA FM on pier to pier at frequency 145.640. I'm having trouble with my sound card working on 2m but not at 70cm. I don't have a clue as to why it is not sending any audio at 70cm. At this point 2m is ok by me as this test seemed to work.
Paul: I sent 2 emails so hopefully they arrived as the software attested to.
73, Ralph
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote: Sheesh. Should read ‘9600 baud packet and 1200 baud packet are not compatible’.
Clearly I need to drink more coffee. -p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun! On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:
9600 baud packet and 1200 baud packet are not incompatible.
From what I understand a station running VARA FM Narrow can connect to a VARA FM Wide station, everything just goes more slowly than wide to wide.
Packet and VARA are entirely separate. So the VARA configuration does not affect the packet configuration at all and vice versa. -p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun! On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM < wa1hem@...> wrote:
Are we sure that a system set up for 9600 will accept narrow band? I note that many of the Seattle frequencies separate the two. I wonder if that’s because 9600 is not downward compatible with 1200 On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Shawn / K7ATA < shawn@...> wrote:
Not connecting at all on packet, not sure if it can even hear me.--Shawn--K7ATAOn 8/10/2020 1:22 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) wrote: know several folks are trying to get VARA FM working with Winlink. One of the problems everyone has is that there’s only one RMS station even close, and none of us can reach it.
So I’m happy to report that I now have a temporary fix, which is that my UHF Winlink RMS has been resurrected and is running VARA FM.
W7PFB-10, 440.850, running VARA FM Wide and at least in theory also running 1200 baud packet.
If you try to use it, please let me know how it went, regardless of outcome. Getting this working definitely involved creating a few new head-sized dents in the walls of my shack, so I’m not entirely convinced it’s all set up correctly. Feedback is appreciated!
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
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