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Antenna Rodeo

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

One of the things that came up at the Tuesday Ballfield gathering last week was the idea of an Antenna Rodeo.

The basic idea: a bunch of band/frequencies are put into a hat - at least one frequency for each band from 80m to 6m. (you’d probably want at least two different frequencies for 80m, 40m, but maybe only one for 6m, etc.)

All those band/frequencies pairs go into a hat. Everyone who wants to participate carries their gear out into the field of contest. A Band/freq pair is drawn from the hat. When the starter announces the drawn pair, everyone gets to set up an antenna for that frequency. The goal is to get an antenna up that has an acceptable SWR at the desired frequency.

Maybe have different scoring for tuner needed/no tuner needed, qrp/medium power/qro.

My suggestion would be to have the various participants award points as they see fit for things like packed size/weight, cost effectiveness, time to put the antenna up, ease of adjustment, elegance, vertical/horizontal polarization, amount of space needed to deploy, color of wire, etc and announce their scoring, and when everyone has scored all the antennas you just ignore the points (e.g. “whose line is it anyway” scoring where the points don’t matter).

Then after everyone is done putting up that antenna, awarding points, etc. if time permits we just do it again, for a different band.

Seems to me like it could be a lot of fun and something where we might invite hams from other clubs to come and participate. Food might be consumed. Beverages might be consumed. Friendly competition might occur. We might get to know one another better. And everyone would probably learn a thing or two and walk away with a bunch of new ideas.

If this seems worth pursuing I would be happy to be the person to carry the ball forward, pick a date, try to contact other clubs, pick a good location, etc. A location with suitable trees might be good but it could also be challenging to have to put up an antenna in a parking lot, in an empty field, etc.

Thoughts? Interest?


-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!


Re: New Ham question and answer net

Robin WA7CPA
 

With Dan’s out of service antenna for tomorrow night I am throwing in the towel for tomorrow night.

Will circle back next week.

73,
Robin, WA7CPA


New Ham question and answer net

Dan Pflugrath
 

I will not be able to run the net for some time.  My antenna is down and without it I cannot bring up the repeater.

 

If someone can pick it up I have a script that you can start with.

 

 

73,

Dan KA7GPP

 

 



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Re: Question re: HT BNC Antenna Adapter

andrew@...
 

The feedline or adapter won't change the antenna length / resonance.
 
The Diamond 320 seems nice.  It's barely longer and very flexible.  Can't say I've tried it on 220, but the reviews are good.

KI7WYA


Re: New vertical online as of last night!

andrew@...
 

I get the same man made noise on my Icom on 50Mhz.  It looks like a sine wave.  I'm very far from any houses so it is probably me.  LED's?  Some charger probably.
 
Flip your mains off?  I don't have battery power yet or I'd try it.


Re: Question re: HT BNC Antenna Adapter

W7ABD
 

Hi Ken,

Anything in the feedline between the radio and antenna is going to cause some loss.  It's the nature of the RF beast.  That being said, the loss from a SMA to BNC adapter should be very slight.  What's more important is that SMA connectors are somewhat fragile, so constant connect/disconnects will cause it to fail.  So installing a BNC adapter is very much a good idea.  Quick quarter-turn off and on and you are protecting your HT's SMA connector.  A win-win all the way around.

Jim
W7ABD


Re: Question re: HT BNC Antenna Adapter

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

I pretty regularly stacked various adaptors on my antenna analyzer until I managed to build out a collection from N connectors (what’s on the analyzer) to everything else.  When I finally got a chance I compared SWR through a single adapter to a series of adaptors and couldn’t see any difference.  I’ve no way to measure loss, though.

For what it’s worth 3 band HT antennas are now pretty common.  I’ve got a Comet HT-224 or something like that, for my Kenwood 3 band HT (2m/1.25m/70cm) that I like a lot - better performance, I think, than the stock antenna and more flexible.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Jul 28, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Ken@... wrote:

I have a question regarding my HT antenna.  I am somewhat annoyed by my HT antenna connection (SMA) since every time I want to connect or disconnect an antenna I need to screw it in.  This is an issue since it is tri-band, and requires an antenna change for 220.  I might also want to switch back and forth between the stock antenna and a higher performance/longer one.

I purchased a SMA/BNC adapter for the HT, and one for each antenna.  However, it occurred to me that these adapters may slightly change the resonance of the antennas or otherwise affect performance.

Practically speaking will  this make any performance difference at all? 


Question re: HT BNC Antenna Adapter

Ken Koch
 

I have a question regarding my HT antenna.  I am somewhat annoyed by my HT antenna connection (SMA) since every time I want to connect or disconnect an antenna I need to screw it in.  This is an issue since it is tri-band, and requires an antenna change for 220.  I might also want to switch back and forth between the stock antenna and a higher performance/longer one.

I purchased a SMA/BNC adapter for the HT, and one for each antenna.  However, it occurred to me that these adapters may slightly change the resonance of the antennas or otherwise affect performance.

Practically speaking will  this make any performance difference at all? 


Re: New vertical online as of last night!

Aaron K
 

Robin, your enthusiasm is awesome (and contagious)!

-Aaron 
KK6RUI

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 6:31 PM, Robin Amundson <wa7cpa@...> wrote:
Today was official day one test of my new Big SteppIR with 80 meter coil. I still have tons of work to do expanding the radial field. But--I made a trip around the world on FT8 and I made my first-ever 6 meter contact. First, my CQ was answered from Beijing, China. Then came Moscow, Russia. Then I worked Isle of Man. Next was Chile. That is not the complete list of countries but represents my circumnavigation. 

Unfortunately, 80 meters is total trash and unworkable. Signal loud enough to blow the radio. Will be monitoring at different times. And...the vertical picks up local manmade noise previously unheard with the dipole. There is a signal at evenly spaced intervals on all the higher bands. The noise blanker does not touch it. Grow lights discovered? Worse, I am hoping it is not a neighbor's oxygen machine.

This weekend beginning at 5 a.m. Saturday is Islands on the Air. Our friend, Rob Thompson, is QRV on Malta. His group call is 9H6YB if you can work him on SSB. He says it will be 104 degrees in their shack.

Speaking of SSB I got a 59 from a guy using 5 watts portable on my first SSB contact on 40 meters early this afternoon while testing new antennas and 7300 with Ken Koch, KK7KKA.

I still have hours and hours to go rounding out the radial field. It will wait until cooler weather. Yay! Back in the shack and feeling joyful about playing radio!

73,
Robin, WA7CPA



New vertical online as of last night!

Robin WA7CPA
 

Today was official day one test of my new Big SteppIR with 80 meter coil. I still have tons of work to do expanding the radial field. But--I made a trip around the world on FT8 and I made my first-ever 6 meter contact. First, my CQ was answered from Beijing, China. Then came Moscow, Russia. Then I worked Isle of Man. Next was Chile. That is not the complete list of countries but represents my circumnavigation. 

Unfortunately, 80 meters is total trash and unworkable. Signal loud enough to blow the radio. Will be monitoring at different times. And...the vertical picks up local manmade noise previously unheard with the dipole. There is a signal at evenly spaced intervals on all the higher bands. The noise blanker does not touch it. Grow lights discovered? Worse, I am hoping it is not a neighbor's oxygen machine.

This weekend beginning at 5 a.m. Saturday is Islands on the Air. Our friend, Rob Thompson, is QRV on Malta. His group call is 9H6YB if you can work him on SSB. He says it will be 104 degrees in their shack.

Speaking of SSB I got a 59 from a guy using 5 watts portable on my first SSB contact on 40 meters early this afternoon while testing new antennas and 7300 with Ken Koch, KK7KKA.

I still have hours and hours to go rounding out the radial field. It will wait until cooler weather. Yay! Back in the shack and feeling joyful about playing radio!

73,
Robin, WA7CPA


Re: Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

I posted the file anyone can open as attachment to show locations on Google earth unless attachments are not working on io?

Ken 


On Jul 25, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Tom WA7TBP via Groups.Io <tomwa7tbp@...> wrote:

Ken:

Is there a site on Bull Hill that would provide coverage?

Tom

In a message dated 7/22/2018 8:36:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, kenkosters@... writes:

I need locations.

Ken 


On Jul 22, 2018, at 8:20 PM, Jackson Beard <macleanofduart@...> wrote:

I have a site at Lake Margaret.



On Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 20:16 Mark Kenworthy <mark@...> wrote:

That looks pretty good!  Isn’t there a water tower up on Mountain View Road too?

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Kosters
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 6:08 PM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

Duvall water tower 45 feet AGL 50 watts.

W7ECK

 

 

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...> wrote:

Attached is the Google Earth file.  Right Click on the red paths to see the path profile. 

 

The paths are there for King Mountain, W7PFB and the Duvall Water Tower.  The water tower is not bad into Carnation as well.

 

Dan KA7GPP

 

 

 

From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Kosters
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:11 PM


To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

I ran some mapping and agree with Shawn that holes would be a problem along with other issues, I do know from King tower the coverage is far better than this picture indicates. The water tower in Duvall is ok site but had my eyes on one area for years in case I might venture this route at some time. Actually covers into the Lake areas and could eliminate some cross band needs so these radios could be used in other service areas. Surprising enough the Old Dump site does not cover Duvall well at modest antenna height, we don't need tower climbers. Play around with the location KMZ file I sent earlier and use modest height antenna (10 meter AGL) 6 BD UHF and 20 to 50 watts.

 

Ken W7ECK   

 

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Shawn / K7ATA <shawn@...> wrote:

appears the attached pic didn't go through... here it is this time.

--Shawn
--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 3:45 PM, Shawn / K7ATA wrote:

Just did a radiomobile study for that site, and it leaves some surprising holes, assuming the antenna is at 30 feet. Tower access might change this a lot, but we'd have to see what the site has to offer.


--Shawn
--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 11:19 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:


King Mountain us about due east of the Monroe honor farm.  There are two tower sites and can be seen from many place around the valley.  It is gated but is an easy 1-2 miles.  I am assuming we may be able to get permission to use the site and get access. If I look through my archive of pictures I have a picture of the signage.

Dan KA7GPP

-----Original Message-----
From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shawn / K7ATA
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:58 AM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

The only Kink Mountain I know of is south of Mount Adams, SW of Yakima;

Is there another one closer?

--Shawn

--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 10:32 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:

> The water tower in Duvall looks good into Carnation if the antenna is mounted on top.  No Cross Bands needed.  When Jerry ran a simplex test when we moved the Duvall Repeater to Bell's he was at ground level. The water tower allows us to clear the hump.

>

> A very good long term solution is to place the repeater on King Mountain.  The antenna does not need to be up on the tower, very little snow, easy hike if necessary but a drive up with permission.  It could be mounted on the equipment building and have excellent coverage from Monroe to Fall City.  It might work into Snoqualmie and North Bend as well but would need to be checked or covered with the Cross Band.

>

> I ran all these simulations when placing the Duvall Repeater at Bell's.  I did not know about King Mountain at the time.

>

>

> Dan KA7GPP

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Butzi (W7PFB)

> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 7:53 AM

> To: snovarc@groups.io

> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

>

> An easy way to clear the hump is to site gear (either the Carnation Crossband or the repeater itself) at my place.  I’m more or less directly uphill from Chuck and Lindy’s place. Altitude at ground level is about 500-510 feet.

> For those who want to fiddle around with coverage tools my lat/long is N47.675 W 121.885.

>

> I’ve got a GP-6 up at about 25 feet AGL that we can use to do coverage testing.  I have no trouble hitting the Big Rock crossband at Shawn’s place with a handy-talkie and a duck, five watts standing on the ground.

>

> -p W7PFB

> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>

>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...> wrote:

>>

>> Just a couple thoughts.

>> 1) Add some height to the antenna at the Cross Band repeater location at Chucks place to get over the hump between Chucks and Duvall.  If that works there is a clear shot to the whole valley.  The hump is what isolates Carnation and Duvall for any location on the east side of the valley.

>>

>> 2) Put the repeater antenna on top of the water tower in Duvall.  If you can hit Carnation you again have a clear shot at the whole valley.

>>

>> You can use Google Earth to run lines between the different locations and see what the topography profile looks like.  IF there is much of a hill between the two locations you will most likely have a problem with propogation.

>>

>>

>> Dan KA7GPP

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shawn / K7ATA

>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:12 PM

>> To: snovarc@groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

>>

>> there's a few ways to do propagation studies GPS numbers and altitude

>> for potential sites would be awesome. We can run the numbers based on

>> the shot mast we currently have at the bell site, as well as possibly

>> taller masts.

>>

>> --Shawn

>> --K7ATA

>>

>> On 7/21/2018 9:04 PM, Ken Kosters wrote:

>>> Have a couple ideas but would be nice to run some propagation mapping

>>> before testing. I don't have software for this but can give locations

>>> to those that might.

>>>

>>> Ken

>>>

>>>

>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...

>>> <mailto:w7pfb@...>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Trying to think long term: if we could pick a site that made linking

>>>> the 441.825 and 443.250 repeaters straightforward, is that something

>>>> we would pursue?  Is it desirable?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> We don’t have a lot of time to get the repeater off the Bell site but

>>>> that doesn’t mean we have to rush selecting a new site.  It would be

>>>> useful to have a wish list to evaluate potential sites against.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -p W7PFB

>>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>>>>

>>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 7:53 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...

>>>>> <mailto:w7pfb@...>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> One possible site which seems like it merits some examination is the

>>>>> City of Carnation evacuation site at the south end of Tolt River

>>>>> Highlands.

>>>>>

>>>>> Downsides:

>>>>> * site is central to the lower Snoqualmie Valley rather than more

>>>>> toward the north end as the Bell site is.

>>>>> * it’s not clear to me 120VAC power is available

>>>>> * site does not cover the area east of the valley and north of NE

>>>>> 124th Ave NE as well as the Bell site does.

>>>>> * site has good exposure for solar power.

>>>>> * we’d really want every last bit of elevation we could get on an

>>>>> antenna on that site.  Even a 30’ mast would help.

>>>>> * if we put the repeater there, we’d want to evaluate whether the

>>>>> Carnation and Big Rock crossband repeaters ought to be relocated as

>>>>> well.  We’d probably want to find a site on the west side of the

>>>>> valley for a crossband (Carnation Farm comes to mind as a possible

>>>>> site for a crossband, or indeed as a site for the repeater.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Upsides:

>>>>> * site has a pretty good view of the valley proper.

>>>>> * site owner is the City of Carnation, and we already have a good

>>>>> relationship with the city.

>>>>>

>>>>> A good assessment of how well the repeater would cover the valley

>>>>> from that site would be relatively easy and would be a good thing to

>>>>> have on hand regardless, as it’s an obvious location for a crossband

>>>>> in the event we have a big event.

>>>>>

>>>>> -p W7PFB

>>>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:56 PM, W7ABD <w7abd1@...

>>>>>> <mailto:w7abd1@...>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The property where the Bell Repeater is currently located is being

>>>>>> sold.  We must have the repeater removed from the site by 9/15/18.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Criteria for new location of the repeater:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 1) Must have good line of site to the Snoqualmie Valley with good

>>>>>> propagation from Fall City to Monroe.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 2) Must be located at higher elevation than the surrounding valley

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 3) Must have access to 120 VAC Single Phase 5 Amp Utility Power

>>>>>> during the winter months.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 4) Club must have 7/24 hour access to the site.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If anyone has an idea where we can relocate the repeater, please

>>>>>> feel free to reply to this message.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Jim

>>>>>> W7ABD

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Re: Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

Tom WA7TBP
 

Ken:

Is there a site on Bull Hill that would provide coverage?

Tom

In a message dated 7/22/2018 8:36:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, kenkosters@... writes:

I need locations.

Ken 


On Jul 22, 2018, at 8:20 PM, Jackson Beard <macleanofduart@...> wrote:

I have a site at Lake Margaret.



On Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 20:16 Mark Kenworthy <mark@...> wrote:

That looks pretty good!  Isn’t there a water tower up on Mountain View Road too?

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Kosters
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 6:08 PM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

Duvall water tower 45 feet AGL 50 watts.

W7ECK

 

 

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...> wrote:

Attached is the Google Earth file.  Right Click on the red paths to see the path profile. 

 

The paths are there for King Mountain, W7PFB and the Duvall Water Tower.  The water tower is not bad into Carnation as well.

 

Dan KA7GPP

 

 

 

From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Kosters
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:11 PM


To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

I ran some mapping and agree with Shawn that holes would be a problem along with other issues, I do know from King tower the coverage is far better than this picture indicates. The water tower in Duvall is ok site but had my eyes on one area for years in case I might venture this route at some time. Actually covers into the Lake areas and could eliminate some cross band needs so these radios could be used in other service areas. Surprising enough the Old Dump site does not cover Duvall well at modest antenna height, we don't need tower climbers. Play around with the location KMZ file I sent earlier and use modest height antenna (10 meter AGL) 6 BD UHF and 20 to 50 watts.

 

Ken W7ECK   

 

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Shawn / K7ATA <shawn@...> wrote:

appears the attached pic didn't go through... here it is this time.

--Shawn
--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 3:45 PM, Shawn / K7ATA wrote:

Just did a radiomobile study for that site, and it leaves some surprising holes, assuming the antenna is at 30 feet. Tower access might change this a lot, but we'd have to see what the site has to offer.


--Shawn
--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 11:19 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:


King Mountain us about due east of the Monroe honor farm.  There are two tower sites and can be seen from many place around the valley.  It is gated but is an easy 1-2 miles.  I am assuming we may be able to get permission to use the site and get access. If I look through my archive of pictures I have a picture of the signage.

Dan KA7GPP

-----Original Message-----
From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shawn / K7ATA
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:58 AM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

The only Kink Mountain I know of is south of Mount Adams, SW of Yakima;

Is there another one closer?

--Shawn

--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 10:32 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:

> The water tower in Duvall looks good into Carnation if the antenna is mounted on top.  No Cross Bands needed.  When Jerry ran a simplex test when we moved the Duvall Repeater to Bell's he was at ground level. The water tower allows us to clear the hump.

>

> A very good long term solution is to place the repeater on King Mountain.  The antenna does not need to be up on the tower, very little snow, easy hike if necessary but a drive up with permission.  It could be mounted on the equipment building and have excellent coverage from Monroe to Fall City.  It might work into Snoqualmie and North Bend as well but would need to be checked or covered with the Cross Band.

>

> I ran all these simulations when placing the Duvall Repeater at Bell's.  I did not know about King Mountain at the time.

>

>

> Dan KA7GPP

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Butzi (W7PFB)

> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 7:53 AM

> To: snovarc@groups.io

> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

>

> An easy way to clear the hump is to site gear (either the Carnation Crossband or the repeater itself) at my place.  I’m more or less directly uphill from Chuck and Lindy’s place. Altitude at ground level is about 500-510 feet.

> For those who want to fiddle around with coverage tools my lat/long is N47.675 W 121.885.

>

> I’ve got a GP-6 up at about 25 feet AGL that we can use to do coverage testing.  I have no trouble hitting the Big Rock crossband at Shawn’s place with a handy-talkie and a duck, five watts standing on the ground.

>

> -p W7PFB

> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>

>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...> wrote:

>>

>> Just a couple thoughts.

>> 1) Add some height to the antenna at the Cross Band repeater location at Chucks place to get over the hump between Chucks and Duvall.  If that works there is a clear shot to the whole valley.  The hump is what isolates Carnation and Duvall for any location on the east side of the valley.

>>

>> 2) Put the repeater antenna on top of the water tower in Duvall.  If you can hit Carnation you again have a clear shot at the whole valley.

>>

>> You can use Google Earth to run lines between the different locations and see what the topography profile looks like.  IF there is much of a hill between the two locations you will most likely have a problem with propogation.

>>

>>

>> Dan KA7GPP

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shawn / K7ATA

>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:12 PM

>> To: snovarc@groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

>>

>> there's a few ways to do propagation studies GPS numbers and altitude

>> for potential sites would be awesome. We can run the numbers based on

>> the shot mast we currently have at the bell site, as well as possibly

>> taller masts.

>>

>> --Shawn

>> --K7ATA

>>

>> On 7/21/2018 9:04 PM, Ken Kosters wrote:

>>> Have a couple ideas but would be nice to run some propagation mapping

>>> before testing. I don't have software for this but can give locations

>>> to those that might.

>>>

>>> Ken

>>>

>>>

>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...

>>> <mailto:w7pfb@...>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Trying to think long term: if we could pick a site that made linking

>>>> the 441.825 and 443.250 repeaters straightforward, is that something

>>>> we would pursue?  Is it desirable?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> We don’t have a lot of time to get the repeater off the Bell site but

>>>> that doesn’t mean we have to rush selecting a new site.  It would be

>>>> useful to have a wish list to evaluate potential sites against.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -p W7PFB

>>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>>>>

>>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 7:53 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...

>>>>> <mailto:w7pfb@...>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> One possible site which seems like it merits some examination is the

>>>>> City of Carnation evacuation site at the south end of Tolt River

>>>>> Highlands.

>>>>>

>>>>> Downsides:

>>>>> * site is central to the lower Snoqualmie Valley rather than more

>>>>> toward the north end as the Bell site is.

>>>>> * it’s not clear to me 120VAC power is available

>>>>> * site does not cover the area east of the valley and north of NE

>>>>> 124th Ave NE as well as the Bell site does.

>>>>> * site has good exposure for solar power.

>>>>> * we’d really want every last bit of elevation we could get on an

>>>>> antenna on that site.  Even a 30’ mast would help.

>>>>> * if we put the repeater there, we’d want to evaluate whether the

>>>>> Carnation and Big Rock crossband repeaters ought to be relocated as

>>>>> well.  We’d probably want to find a site on the west side of the

>>>>> valley for a crossband (Carnation Farm comes to mind as a possible

>>>>> site for a crossband, or indeed as a site for the repeater.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Upsides:

>>>>> * site has a pretty good view of the valley proper.

>>>>> * site owner is the City of Carnation, and we already have a good

>>>>> relationship with the city.

>>>>>

>>>>> A good assessment of how well the repeater would cover the valley

>>>>> from that site would be relatively easy and would be a good thing to

>>>>> have on hand regardless, as it’s an obvious location for a crossband

>>>>> in the event we have a big event.

>>>>>

>>>>> -p W7PFB

>>>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:56 PM, W7ABD <w7abd1@...

>>>>>> <mailto:w7abd1@...>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The property where the Bell Repeater is currently located is being

>>>>>> sold.  We must have the repeater removed from the site by 9/15/18.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Criteria for new location of the repeater:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 1) Must have good line of site to the Snoqualmie Valley with good

>>>>>> propagation from Fall City to Monroe.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 2) Must be located at higher elevation than the surrounding valley

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 3) Must have access to 120 VAC Single Phase 5 Amp Utility Power

>>>>>> during the winter months.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 4) Club must have 7/24 hour access to the site.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If anyone has an idea where we can relocate the repeater, please

>>>>>> feel free to reply to this message.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Jim

>>>>>> W7ABD

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Re: Cougar mountain repeater move STATUS CHANGE!

Robin WA7CPA
 

Thanks Shawn. I put it on my calendar. Please give list of gear and tools we should bring. Also, maybe paint donation? Good chance to use up paint.

Robin, WA7CPA

On Jul 24, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Shawn / K7ATA <shawn@...> wrote:

The cougar move is back on, as the commercial folks surprised themselves by reaching an agreement and lining up funding this year.


What this means to us: Activities aimed at getting the repeater ready to move, and preparing the space are resuming. There will probably be a trip up to Cougar on the 4th of August to do any needed painting and possibly some equipment installation.

I'm coordinating with KF7BJI and K7QJ to make sure that all of the things that need done GET done before the deadline hits us.


I'll update the group as I get info.


--
--Shawn
--K7ATA




Cougar mountain repeater move STATUS CHANGE!

Shawn / K7ATA
 

The cougar move is back on, as the commercial folks surprised themselves by reaching an agreement and lining up funding this year.


What this means to us: Activities aimed at getting the repeater ready to move, and preparing the space are resuming. There will probably be a trip up to Cougar on the 4th of August to do any needed painting and possibly some equipment installation.

I'm coordinating with KF7BJI and K7QJ to make sure that all of the things that need done GET done before the deadline hits us.


I'll update the group as I get info.


--
--Shawn
--K7ATA


Tuesday evening Big Rock

Robin WA7CPA
 

Big Rock Ball Fields, the Tuesday evening Radio Play Gathering continues. 7 p.m. is Dan's net. I will be bringing Buddipole for 6 m and 10 m to see what is shaking on FM with the 8900R. Steep climb getting ready, as I am doing a big vertical antenna project at home, and it is time to lay a radial field with 3500 feet of wire--for starters. I plan to show up 6 ish, well-prepared or not.  Bring any of your own show-and-tell, water, ice, chair, and handheld. Last week the heat wasn't too bad in our shady spot.

73,
Robin, WA7CPA


Re: Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

The water lank in Duvall is far better location than the 312th location for 119. Once again I attached an KMZ file that makes locations and ideas far more efficient for those that have Google Earth. The Tower or water tank to be correct is in Duvall city limits and city property and asset located off NE 144th St.

W7ECK 

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:23 AM, Mark Kenworthy <mark@...> wrote:

Now looking back at the water tower propagation map, and it looks like that is a city tower, not district 119, because my friend says their tower is off of 312th.

 

Mark

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Kenworthy
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 6:15 AM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

I have a friend on the Water District 119 Board of Directors.  He says:

 

“The next district meeting is August 1. Put together a proposal and call the office and ask to be added to the agenda.”

 

http://www.wd119.org/

 

Mark

K7MLK

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Pflugrath
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 8:39 PM


To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

I a not sure how you will get much better coverage than from the water tower in Duvall.  Because of the hills on both sides of the valley and the valley is not straight we are always going to have some dead spots.

 

Keep the cross band in Carnation to pick up the weak areas south and maybe add a second cross band on the west side of the valley north of the W-D road to get a clear shot at Monroe.    

 

I wonder if the city would allow us to put up a temporary antenna on the water tower long enough to test the coverage.

 

Dan KA7GPP

 

 

 

From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Kosters
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 6:08 PM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

Duvall water tower 45 feet AGL 50 watts.

W7ECK

 

 

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...> wrote:

Attached is the Google Earth file.  Right Click on the red paths to see the path profile. 

 

The paths are there for King Mountain, W7PFB and the Duvall Water Tower.  The water tower is not bad into Carnation as well.

 

Dan KA7GPP

 

 

 

From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Kosters
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:11 PM


To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

I ran some mapping and agree with Shawn that holes would be a problem along with other issues, I do know from King tower the coverage is far better than this picture indicates. The water tower in Duvall is ok site but had my eyes on one area for years in case I might venture this route at some time. Actually covers into the Lake areas and could eliminate some cross band needs so these radios could be used in other service areas. Surprising enough the Old Dump site does not cover Duvall well at modest antenna height, we don't need tower climbers. Play around with the location KMZ file I sent earlier and use modest height antenna (10 meter AGL) 6 BD UHF and 20 to 50 watts.

 

Ken W7ECK   

 

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Shawn / K7ATA <shawn@...> wrote:

appears the attached pic didn't go through... here it is this time.

--Shawn
--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 3:45 PM, Shawn / K7ATA wrote:

Just did a radiomobile study for that site, and it leaves some surprising holes, assuming the antenna is at 30 feet. Tower access might change this a lot, but we'd have to see what the site has to offer.


--Shawn
--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 11:19 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:


King Mountain us about due east of the Monroe honor farm.  There are two tower sites and can be seen from many place around the valley.  It is gated but is an easy 1-2 miles.  I am assuming we may be able to get permission to use the site and get access. If I look through my archive of pictures I have a picture of the signage.

Dan KA7GPP

-----Original Message-----
From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shawn / K7ATA
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:58 AM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

The only Kink Mountain I know of is south of Mount Adams, SW of Yakima;

Is there another one closer?

--Shawn

--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 10:32 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:

> The water tower in Duvall looks good into Carnation if the antenna is mounted on top.  No Cross Bands needed.  When Jerry ran a simplex test when we moved the Duvall Repeater to Bell's he was at ground level. The water tower allows us to clear the hump.

>

> A very good long term solution is to place the repeater on King Mountain.  The antenna does not need to be up on the tower, very little snow, easy hike if necessary but a drive up with permission.  It could be mounted on the equipment building and have excellent coverage from Monroe to Fall City.  It might work into Snoqualmie and North Bend as well but would need to be checked or covered with the Cross Band.

>

> I ran all these simulations when placing the Duvall Repeater at Bell's.  I did not know about King Mountain at the time.

>

>

> Dan KA7GPP

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Butzi (W7PFB)

> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 7:53 AM

> To: snovarc@groups.io

> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

>

> An easy way to clear the hump is to site gear (either the Carnation Crossband or the repeater itself) at my place.  I’m more or less directly uphill from Chuck and Lindy’s place. Altitude at ground level is about 500-510 feet.

> For those who want to fiddle around with coverage tools my lat/long is N47.675 W 121.885.

>

> I’ve got a GP-6 up at about 25 feet AGL that we can use to do coverage testing.  I have no trouble hitting the Big Rock crossband at Shawn’s place with a handy-talkie and a duck, five watts standing on the ground.

>

> -p W7PFB

> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>

>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...> wrote:

>>

>> Just a couple thoughts.

>> 1) Add some height to the antenna at the Cross Band repeater location at Chucks place to get over the hump between Chucks and Duvall.  If that works there is a clear shot to the whole valley.  The hump is what isolates Carnation and Duvall for any location on the east side of the valley.

>>

>> 2) Put the repeater antenna on top of the water tower in Duvall.  If you can hit Carnation you again have a clear shot at the whole valley.

>>

>> You can use Google Earth to run lines between the different locations and see what the topography profile looks like.  IF there is much of a hill between the two locations you will most likely have a problem with propogation.

>>

>>

>> Dan KA7GPP

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shawn / K7ATA

>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:12 PM

>> To: snovarc@groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

>>

>> there's a few ways to do propagation studies GPS numbers and altitude

>> for potential sites would be awesome. We can run the numbers based on

>> the shot mast we currently have at the bell site, as well as possibly

>> taller masts.

>>

>> --Shawn

>> --K7ATA

>>

>> On 7/21/2018 9:04 PM, Ken Kosters wrote:

>>> Have a couple ideas but would be nice to run some propagation mapping

>>> before testing. I don't have software for this but can give locations

>>> to those that might.

>>>

>>> Ken

>>>

>>>

>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...

>>> <mailto:w7pfb@...>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Trying to think long term: if we could pick a site that made linking

>>>> the 441.825 and 443.250 repeaters straightforward, is that something

>>>> we would pursue?  Is it desirable?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> We don’t have a lot of time to get the repeater off the Bell site but

>>>> that doesn’t mean we have to rush selecting a new site.  It would be

>>>> useful to have a wish list to evaluate potential sites against.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -p W7PFB

>>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>>>>

>>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 7:53 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...

>>>>> <mailto:w7pfb@...>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> One possible site which seems like it merits some examination is the

>>>>> City of Carnation evacuation site at the south end of Tolt River

>>>>> Highlands.

>>>>>

>>>>> Downsides:

>>>>> * site is central to the lower Snoqualmie Valley rather than more

>>>>> toward the north end as the Bell site is.

>>>>> * it’s not clear to me 120VAC power is available

>>>>> * site does not cover the area east of the valley and north of NE

>>>>> 124th Ave NE as well as the Bell site does.

>>>>> * site has good exposure for solar power.

>>>>> * we’d really want every last bit of elevation we could get on an

>>>>> antenna on that site.  Even a 30’ mast would help.

>>>>> * if we put the repeater there, we’d want to evaluate whether the

>>>>> Carnation and Big Rock crossband repeaters ought to be relocated as

>>>>> well.  We’d probably want to find a site on the west side of the

>>>>> valley for a crossband (Carnation Farm comes to mind as a possible

>>>>> site for a crossband, or indeed as a site for the repeater.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Upsides:

>>>>> * site has a pretty good view of the valley proper.

>>>>> * site owner is the City of Carnation, and we already have a good

>>>>> relationship with the city.

>>>>>

>>>>> A good assessment of how well the repeater would cover the valley

>>>>> from that site would be relatively easy and would be a good thing to

>>>>> have on hand regardless, as it’s an obvious location for a crossband

>>>>> in the event we have a big event.

>>>>>

>>>>> -p W7PFB

>>>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:56 PM, W7ABD <w7abd1@...

>>>>>> <mailto:w7abd1@...>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The property where the Bell Repeater is currently located is being

>>>>>> sold.  We must have the repeater removed from the site by 9/15/18.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Criteria for new location of the repeater:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 1) Must have good line of site to the Snoqualmie Valley with good

>>>>>> propagation from Fall City to Monroe.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 2) Must be located at higher elevation than the surrounding valley

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 3) Must have access to 120 VAC Single Phase 5 Amp Utility Power

>>>>>> during the winter months.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 4) Club must have 7/24 hour access to the site.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If anyone has an idea where we can relocate the repeater, please

>>>>>> feel free to reply to this message.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Jim

>>>>>> W7ABD

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Re: Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

Mark Kenworthy
 

Now looking back at the water tower propagation map, and it looks like that is a city tower, not district 119, because my friend says their tower is off of 312th.

 

Mark

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Kenworthy
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 6:15 AM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

I have a friend on the Water District 119 Board of Directors.  He says:

 

“The next district meeting is August 1. Put together a proposal and call the office and ask to be added to the agenda.”

 

http://www.wd119.org/

 

Mark

K7MLK

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Pflugrath
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 8:39 PM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

I a not sure how you will get much better coverage than from the water tower in Duvall.  Because of the hills on both sides of the valley and the valley is not straight we are always going to have some dead spots.

 

Keep the cross band in Carnation to pick up the weak areas south and maybe add a second cross band on the west side of the valley north of the W-D road to get a clear shot at Monroe.    

 

I wonder if the city would allow us to put up a temporary antenna on the water tower long enough to test the coverage.

 

Dan KA7GPP

 

 

 

From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Kosters
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 6:08 PM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

Duvall water tower 45 feet AGL 50 watts.

W7ECK

 

 

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...> wrote:

Attached is the Google Earth file.  Right Click on the red paths to see the path profile. 

 

The paths are there for King Mountain, W7PFB and the Duvall Water Tower.  The water tower is not bad into Carnation as well.

 

Dan KA7GPP

 

 

 

From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Kosters
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:11 PM


To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

I ran some mapping and agree with Shawn that holes would be a problem along with other issues, I do know from King tower the coverage is far better than this picture indicates. The water tower in Duvall is ok site but had my eyes on one area for years in case I might venture this route at some time. Actually covers into the Lake areas and could eliminate some cross band needs so these radios could be used in other service areas. Surprising enough the Old Dump site does not cover Duvall well at modest antenna height, we don't need tower climbers. Play around with the location KMZ file I sent earlier and use modest height antenna (10 meter AGL) 6 BD UHF and 20 to 50 watts.

 

Ken W7ECK   

 

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Shawn / K7ATA <shawn@...> wrote:

appears the attached pic didn't go through... here it is this time.

--Shawn
--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 3:45 PM, Shawn / K7ATA wrote:

Just did a radiomobile study for that site, and it leaves some surprising holes, assuming the antenna is at 30 feet. Tower access might change this a lot, but we'd have to see what the site has to offer.


--Shawn
--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 11:19 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:


King Mountain us about due east of the Monroe honor farm.  There are two tower sites and can be seen from many place around the valley.  It is gated but is an easy 1-2 miles.  I am assuming we may be able to get permission to use the site and get access. If I look through my archive of pictures I have a picture of the signage.

Dan KA7GPP

-----Original Message-----
From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shawn / K7ATA
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:58 AM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

The only Kink Mountain I know of is south of Mount Adams, SW of Yakima;

Is there another one closer?

--Shawn

--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 10:32 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:

> The water tower in Duvall looks good into Carnation if the antenna is mounted on top.  No Cross Bands needed.  When Jerry ran a simplex test when we moved the Duvall Repeater to Bell's he was at ground level. The water tower allows us to clear the hump.

>

> A very good long term solution is to place the repeater on King Mountain.  The antenna does not need to be up on the tower, very little snow, easy hike if necessary but a drive up with permission.  It could be mounted on the equipment building and have excellent coverage from Monroe to Fall City.  It might work into Snoqualmie and North Bend as well but would need to be checked or covered with the Cross Band.

>

> I ran all these simulations when placing the Duvall Repeater at Bell's.  I did not know about King Mountain at the time.

>

>

> Dan KA7GPP

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Butzi (W7PFB)

> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 7:53 AM

> To: snovarc@groups.io

> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

>

> An easy way to clear the hump is to site gear (either the Carnation Crossband or the repeater itself) at my place.  I’m more or less directly uphill from Chuck and Lindy’s place. Altitude at ground level is about 500-510 feet.

> For those who want to fiddle around with coverage tools my lat/long is N47.675 W 121.885.

>

> I’ve got a GP-6 up at about 25 feet AGL that we can use to do coverage testing.  I have no trouble hitting the Big Rock crossband at Shawn’s place with a handy-talkie and a duck, five watts standing on the ground.

>

> -p W7PFB

> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>

>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...> wrote:

>>

>> Just a couple thoughts.

>> 1) Add some height to the antenna at the Cross Band repeater location at Chucks place to get over the hump between Chucks and Duvall.  If that works there is a clear shot to the whole valley.  The hump is what isolates Carnation and Duvall for any location on the east side of the valley.

>>

>> 2) Put the repeater antenna on top of the water tower in Duvall.  If you can hit Carnation you again have a clear shot at the whole valley.

>>

>> You can use Google Earth to run lines between the different locations and see what the topography profile looks like.  IF there is much of a hill between the two locations you will most likely have a problem with propogation.

>>

>>

>> Dan KA7GPP

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shawn / K7ATA

>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:12 PM

>> To: snovarc@groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

>>

>> there's a few ways to do propagation studies GPS numbers and altitude

>> for potential sites would be awesome. We can run the numbers based on

>> the shot mast we currently have at the bell site, as well as possibly

>> taller masts.

>>

>> --Shawn

>> --K7ATA

>>

>> On 7/21/2018 9:04 PM, Ken Kosters wrote:

>>> Have a couple ideas but would be nice to run some propagation mapping

>>> before testing. I don't have software for this but can give locations

>>> to those that might.

>>>

>>> Ken

>>>

>>>

>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...

>>> <mailto:w7pfb@...>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Trying to think long term: if we could pick a site that made linking

>>>> the 441.825 and 443.250 repeaters straightforward, is that something

>>>> we would pursue?  Is it desirable?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> We don’t have a lot of time to get the repeater off the Bell site but

>>>> that doesn’t mean we have to rush selecting a new site.  It would be

>>>> useful to have a wish list to evaluate potential sites against.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -p W7PFB

>>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>>>>

>>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 7:53 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...

>>>>> <mailto:w7pfb@...>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> One possible site which seems like it merits some examination is the

>>>>> City of Carnation evacuation site at the south end of Tolt River

>>>>> Highlands.

>>>>>

>>>>> Downsides:

>>>>> * site is central to the lower Snoqualmie Valley rather than more

>>>>> toward the north end as the Bell site is.

>>>>> * it’s not clear to me 120VAC power is available

>>>>> * site does not cover the area east of the valley and north of NE

>>>>> 124th Ave NE as well as the Bell site does.

>>>>> * site has good exposure for solar power.

>>>>> * we’d really want every last bit of elevation we could get on an

>>>>> antenna on that site.  Even a 30’ mast would help.

>>>>> * if we put the repeater there, we’d want to evaluate whether the

>>>>> Carnation and Big Rock crossband repeaters ought to be relocated as

>>>>> well.  We’d probably want to find a site on the west side of the

>>>>> valley for a crossband (Carnation Farm comes to mind as a possible

>>>>> site for a crossband, or indeed as a site for the repeater.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Upsides:

>>>>> * site has a pretty good view of the valley proper.

>>>>> * site owner is the City of Carnation, and we already have a good

>>>>> relationship with the city.

>>>>>

>>>>> A good assessment of how well the repeater would cover the valley

>>>>> from that site would be relatively easy and would be a good thing to

>>>>> have on hand regardless, as it’s an obvious location for a crossband

>>>>> in the event we have a big event.

>>>>>

>>>>> -p W7PFB

>>>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:56 PM, W7ABD <w7abd1@...

>>>>>> <mailto:w7abd1@...>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The property where the Bell Repeater is currently located is being

>>>>>> sold.  We must have the repeater removed from the site by 9/15/18.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Criteria for new location of the repeater:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 1) Must have good line of site to the Snoqualmie Valley with good

>>>>>> propagation from Fall City to Monroe.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 2) Must be located at higher elevation than the surrounding valley

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 3) Must have access to 120 VAC Single Phase 5 Amp Utility Power

>>>>>> during the winter months.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 4) Club must have 7/24 hour access to the site.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If anyone has an idea where we can relocate the repeater, please

>>>>>> feel free to reply to this message.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Jim

>>>>>> W7ABD

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Re: Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

Mark Kenworthy
 

I have a friend on the Water District 119 Board of Directors.  He says:

 

“The next district meeting is August 1. Put together a proposal and call the office and ask to be added to the agenda.”

 

http://www.wd119.org/

 

Mark

K7MLK

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Pflugrath
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 8:39 PM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

I a not sure how you will get much better coverage than from the water tower in Duvall.  Because of the hills on both sides of the valley and the valley is not straight we are always going to have some dead spots.

 

Keep the cross band in Carnation to pick up the weak areas south and maybe add a second cross band on the west side of the valley north of the W-D road to get a clear shot at Monroe.    

 

I wonder if the city would allow us to put up a temporary antenna on the water tower long enough to test the coverage.

 

Dan KA7GPP

 

 

 

From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Kosters
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 6:08 PM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

Duvall water tower 45 feet AGL 50 watts.

W7ECK

 

 

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...> wrote:

Attached is the Google Earth file.  Right Click on the red paths to see the path profile. 

 

The paths are there for King Mountain, W7PFB and the Duvall Water Tower.  The water tower is not bad into Carnation as well.

 

Dan KA7GPP

 

 

 

From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Kosters
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:11 PM


To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

I ran some mapping and agree with Shawn that holes would be a problem along with other issues, I do know from King tower the coverage is far better than this picture indicates. The water tower in Duvall is ok site but had my eyes on one area for years in case I might venture this route at some time. Actually covers into the Lake areas and could eliminate some cross band needs so these radios could be used in other service areas. Surprising enough the Old Dump site does not cover Duvall well at modest antenna height, we don't need tower climbers. Play around with the location KMZ file I sent earlier and use modest height antenna (10 meter AGL) 6 BD UHF and 20 to 50 watts.

 

Ken W7ECK   

 

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Shawn / K7ATA <shawn@...> wrote:

appears the attached pic didn't go through... here it is this time.

--Shawn
--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 3:45 PM, Shawn / K7ATA wrote:

Just did a radiomobile study for that site, and it leaves some surprising holes, assuming the antenna is at 30 feet. Tower access might change this a lot, but we'd have to see what the site has to offer.


--Shawn
--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 11:19 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:


King Mountain us about due east of the Monroe honor farm.  There are two tower sites and can be seen from many place around the valley.  It is gated but is an easy 1-2 miles.  I am assuming we may be able to get permission to use the site and get access. If I look through my archive of pictures I have a picture of the signage.

Dan KA7GPP

-----Original Message-----
From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shawn / K7ATA
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:58 AM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

The only Kink Mountain I know of is south of Mount Adams, SW of Yakima;

Is there another one closer?

--Shawn

--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 10:32 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:

> The water tower in Duvall looks good into Carnation if the antenna is mounted on top.  No Cross Bands needed.  When Jerry ran a simplex test when we moved the Duvall Repeater to Bell's he was at ground level. The water tower allows us to clear the hump.

>

> A very good long term solution is to place the repeater on King Mountain.  The antenna does not need to be up on the tower, very little snow, easy hike if necessary but a drive up with permission.  It could be mounted on the equipment building and have excellent coverage from Monroe to Fall City.  It might work into Snoqualmie and North Bend as well but would need to be checked or covered with the Cross Band.

>

> I ran all these simulations when placing the Duvall Repeater at Bell's.  I did not know about King Mountain at the time.

>

>

> Dan KA7GPP

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Butzi (W7PFB)

> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 7:53 AM

> To: snovarc@groups.io

> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

>

> An easy way to clear the hump is to site gear (either the Carnation Crossband or the repeater itself) at my place.  I’m more or less directly uphill from Chuck and Lindy’s place. Altitude at ground level is about 500-510 feet.

> For those who want to fiddle around with coverage tools my lat/long is N47.675 W 121.885.

>

> I’ve got a GP-6 up at about 25 feet AGL that we can use to do coverage testing.  I have no trouble hitting the Big Rock crossband at Shawn’s place with a handy-talkie and a duck, five watts standing on the ground.

>

> -p W7PFB

> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>

>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...> wrote:

>>

>> Just a couple thoughts.

>> 1) Add some height to the antenna at the Cross Band repeater location at Chucks place to get over the hump between Chucks and Duvall.  If that works there is a clear shot to the whole valley.  The hump is what isolates Carnation and Duvall for any location on the east side of the valley.

>>

>> 2) Put the repeater antenna on top of the water tower in Duvall.  If you can hit Carnation you again have a clear shot at the whole valley.

>>

>> You can use Google Earth to run lines between the different locations and see what the topography profile looks like.  IF there is much of a hill between the two locations you will most likely have a problem with propogation.

>>

>>

>> Dan KA7GPP

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shawn / K7ATA

>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:12 PM

>> To: snovarc@groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

>>

>> there's a few ways to do propagation studies GPS numbers and altitude

>> for potential sites would be awesome. We can run the numbers based on

>> the shot mast we currently have at the bell site, as well as possibly

>> taller masts.

>>

>> --Shawn

>> --K7ATA

>>

>> On 7/21/2018 9:04 PM, Ken Kosters wrote:

>>> Have a couple ideas but would be nice to run some propagation mapping

>>> before testing. I don't have software for this but can give locations

>>> to those that might.

>>>

>>> Ken

>>>

>>>

>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...

>>> <mailto:w7pfb@...>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Trying to think long term: if we could pick a site that made linking

>>>> the 441.825 and 443.250 repeaters straightforward, is that something

>>>> we would pursue?  Is it desirable?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> We don’t have a lot of time to get the repeater off the Bell site but

>>>> that doesn’t mean we have to rush selecting a new site.  It would be

>>>> useful to have a wish list to evaluate potential sites against.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -p W7PFB

>>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>>>>

>>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 7:53 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...

>>>>> <mailto:w7pfb@...>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> One possible site which seems like it merits some examination is the

>>>>> City of Carnation evacuation site at the south end of Tolt River

>>>>> Highlands.

>>>>>

>>>>> Downsides:

>>>>> * site is central to the lower Snoqualmie Valley rather than more

>>>>> toward the north end as the Bell site is.

>>>>> * it’s not clear to me 120VAC power is available

>>>>> * site does not cover the area east of the valley and north of NE

>>>>> 124th Ave NE as well as the Bell site does.

>>>>> * site has good exposure for solar power.

>>>>> * we’d really want every last bit of elevation we could get on an

>>>>> antenna on that site.  Even a 30’ mast would help.

>>>>> * if we put the repeater there, we’d want to evaluate whether the

>>>>> Carnation and Big Rock crossband repeaters ought to be relocated as

>>>>> well.  We’d probably want to find a site on the west side of the

>>>>> valley for a crossband (Carnation Farm comes to mind as a possible

>>>>> site for a crossband, or indeed as a site for the repeater.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Upsides:

>>>>> * site has a pretty good view of the valley proper.

>>>>> * site owner is the City of Carnation, and we already have a good

>>>>> relationship with the city.

>>>>>

>>>>> A good assessment of how well the repeater would cover the valley

>>>>> from that site would be relatively easy and would be a good thing to

>>>>> have on hand regardless, as it’s an obvious location for a crossband

>>>>> in the event we have a big event.

>>>>>

>>>>> -p W7PFB

>>>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:56 PM, W7ABD <w7abd1@...

>>>>>> <mailto:w7abd1@...>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The property where the Bell Repeater is currently located is being

>>>>>> sold.  We must have the repeater removed from the site by 9/15/18.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Criteria for new location of the repeater:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 1) Must have good line of site to the Snoqualmie Valley with good

>>>>>> propagation from Fall City to Monroe.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 2) Must be located at higher elevation than the surrounding valley

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 3) Must have access to 120 VAC Single Phase 5 Amp Utility Power

>>>>>> during the winter months.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 4) Club must have 7/24 hour access to the site.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If anyone has an idea where we can relocate the repeater, please

>>>>>> feel free to reply to this message.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Jim

>>>>>> W7ABD

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Re: Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

Dan Pflugrath
 

Tom,

That was the Mountain View Water Tower north of the Mountain View Fire Station.

 

Dan KA7GPP

 

 

 

 

 

From: snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom WA7TBP via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 11:38 PM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

 

Hello everyone.

 

Which water tower did SNOVARC use originally for our UHF repeater? Remember, we had such poor coverage that we ended up taking the repeater down and moving it.

 

Tom

 

In a message dated 7/22/2018 8:42:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, shawn@... writes:

 

water tower? The water storage tank on Big Rock? (other wise, I have no
clue what water tower we're talking about)

--Shawn
--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 8:38 PM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:
>
> I a not sure how you will get much better coverage than from the water
> tower in Duvall.  Because of the hills on both sides of the valley and
> the valley is not straight we are always going to have some dead spots.
>
> Keep the cross band in Carnation to pick up the weak areas south and
> maybe add a second cross band on the west side of the valley north of
> the W-D road to get a clear shot at Monroe.
>
> I wonder if the city would allow us to put up a temporary antenna on
> the water tower long enough to test the coverage.
>
> Dan KA7GPP
>
> *From:*snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Ken
> Kosters
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 6:08 PM
> *To:* snovarc@groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater
>
> Duvall water tower 45 feet AGL 50 watts.
>
> W7ECK
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...
> <mailto:dpflugrath@...>> wrote:
>
> Attached is the Google Earth file.  Right Click on the red paths to
> see the path profile.
>
> The paths are there for King Mountain, W7PFB and the Duvall Water
> Tower.  The water tower is not bad into Carnation as well.
>
> Dan KA7GPP
>
> *From:* snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
> [mailto:snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>] *On Behalf Of
> *Ken Kosters
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:11 PM
>
>
> *To:* snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater
>
> I ran some mapping and agree with Shawn that holes would be a problem
> along with other issues, I do know from King tower the coverage is far
> better than this picture indicates. The water tower in Duvall is ok
> site but had my eyes on one area for years in case I might venture
> this route at some time. Actually covers into the Lake areas and
> could eliminate some cross band needs so these radios could be used in
> other service areas. Surprising enough the Old Dump site does not
> cover Duvall well at modest antenna height, we don't need tower
> climbers. Play around with the location KMZ file I sent earlier and
> use modest height antenna (10 meter AGL) 6 BD UHF and 20 to 50 watts.
>
> Ken W7ECK
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Shawn / K7ATA <shawn@...
> <mailto:shawn@...>> wrote:
>
> appears the attached pic didn't go through... here it is this time.
>
> --Shawn
> --K7ATA
>
> On 7/22/2018 3:45 PM, Shawn / K7ATA wrote:
>
> Just did a radiomobile study for that site, and it leaves some
> surprising holes, assuming the antenna is at 30 feet. Tower access
> might change this a lot, but we'd have to see what the site has to offer.
>
>
> --Shawn
> --K7ATA
>
> On 7/22/2018 11:19 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:
>
>
> King Mountain us about due east of the Monroe honor farm.  There are
> two tower sites and can be seen from many place around the valley.  It
> is gated but is an easy 1-2 miles.  I am assuming we may be able to
> get permission to use the site and get access. If I look through my
> archive of pictures I have a picture of the signage.
>
> Dan KA7GPP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
> [mailto:snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>] On Behalf Of
> Shawn / K7ATA
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:58 AM
> To: snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater
>
> The only Kink Mountain I know of is south of Mount Adams, SW of Yakima;
>
> Is there another one closer?
>
> --Shawn
>
> --K7ATA
>
> On 7/22/2018 10:32 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:
>
> > The water tower in Duvall looks good into Carnation if the antenna
> is mounted on top.  No Cross Bands needed.  When Jerry ran a simplex
> test when we moved the Duvall Repeater to Bell's he was at ground
> level. The water tower allows us to clear the hump.
>
> >
>
> > A very good long term solution is to place the repeater on King
> Mountain.  The antenna does not need to be up on the tower, very
> little snow, easy hike if necessary but a drive up with permission. It
> could be mounted on the equipment building and have excellent coverage
> from Monroe to Fall City.  It might work into Snoqualmie and North
> Bend as well but would need to be checked or covered with the Cross Band.
>
> >
>
> > I ran all these simulations when placing the Duvall Repeater at
> Bell's.  I did not know about King Mountain at the time.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Dan KA7GPP
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
> [mailto:snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>] On Behalf Of
> Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 7:53 AM
>
> > To: snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
>
> > Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater
>
> >
>
> > An easy way to clear the hump is to site gear (either the Carnation
> Crossband or the repeater itself) at my place.  I’m more or less
> directly uphill from Chuck and Lindy’s place. Altitude at ground level
> is about 500-510 feet.
>
> > For those who want to fiddle around with coverage tools my lat/long
> is N47.675 W 121.885.
>
> >
>
> > I’ve got a GP-6 up at about 25 feet AGL that we can use to do
> coverage testing.  I have no trouble hitting the Big Rock crossband at
> Shawn’s place with a handy-talkie and a duck, five watts standing on
> the ground.
>
> >
>
> > -p W7PFB
>
> > 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
>
> >
>
> >> On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...
> <mailto:dpflugrath@...>> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Just a couple thoughts.
>
> >> 1) Add some height to the antenna at the Cross Band repeater
> location at Chucks place to get over the hump between Chucks and
> Duvall.  If that works there is a clear shot to the whole valley.  The
> hump is what isolates Carnation and Duvall for any location on the
> east side of the valley.
>
> >>
>
> >> 2) Put the repeater antenna on top of the water tower in Duvall. 
> If you can hit Carnation you again have a clear shot at the whole valley.
>
> >>
>
> >> You can use Google Earth to run lines between the different
> locations and see what the topography profile looks like.  IF there is
> much of a hill between the two locations you will most likely have a
> problem with propogation.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Dan KA7GPP
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
>
> >> From: snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
> [mailto:snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>] On Behalf Of
> Shawn / K7ATA
>
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:12 PM
>
> >> To: snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
>
> >> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater
>
> >>
>
> >> there's a few ways to do propagation studies GPS numbers and altitude
>
> >> for potential sites would be awesome. We can run the numbers based on
>
> >> the shot mast we currently have at the bell site, as well as possibly
>
> >> taller masts.
>
> >>
>
> >> --Shawn
>
> >> --K7ATA
>
> >>
>
> >> On 7/21/2018 9:04 PM, Ken Kosters wrote:
>
> >>> Have a couple ideas but would be nice to run some propagation mapping
>
> >>> before testing. I don't have software for this but can give locations
>
> >>> to those that might.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Ken
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...
> <mailto:w7pfb@...>
>
> >>> <mailto:w7pfb@... <mailto:w7pfb@...>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Trying to think long term: if we could pick a site that made linking
>
> >>>> the 441.825 and 443.250 repeaters straightforward, is that something
>
> >>>> we would pursue?  Is it desirable?
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> We don’t have a lot of time to get the repeater off the Bell site but
>
> >>>> that doesn’t mean we have to rush selecting a new site.  It would be
>
> >>>> useful to have a wish list to evaluate potential sites against.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> -p W7PFB
>
> >>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 7:53 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...
> <mailto:w7pfb@...>
>
> >>>>> <mailto:w7pfb@... <mailto:w7pfb@...>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> One possible site which seems like it merits some examination is the
>
> >>>>> City of Carnation evacuation site at the south end of Tolt River
>
> >>>>> Highlands.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Downsides:
>
> >>>>> * site is central to the lower Snoqualmie Valley rather than more
>
> >>>>> toward the north end as the Bell site is.
>
> >>>>> * it’s not clear to me 120VAC power is available
>
> >>>>> * site does not cover the area east of the valley and north of NE
>
> >>>>> 124th Ave NE as well as the Bell site does.
>
> >>>>> * site has good exposure for solar power.
>
> >>>>> * we’d really want every last bit of elevation we could get on an
>
> >>>>> antenna on that site.  Even a 30’ mast would help.
>
> >>>>> * if we put the repeater there, we’d want to evaluate whether the
>
> >>>>> Carnation and Big Rock crossband repeaters ought to be relocated as
>
> >>>>> well.  We’d probably want to find a site on the west side of the
>
> >>>>> valley for a crossband (Carnation Farm comes to mind as a possible
>
> >>>>> site for a crossband, or indeed as a site for the repeater.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Upsides:
>
> >>>>> * site has a pretty good view of the valley proper.
>
> >>>>> * site owner is the City of Carnation, and we already have a good
>
> >>>>> relationship with the city.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> A good assessment of how well the repeater would cover the valley
>
> >>>>> from that site would be relatively easy and would be a good thing to
>
> >>>>> have on hand regardless, as it’s an obvious location for a crossband
>
> >>>>> in the event we have a big event.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> -p W7PFB
>
> >>>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:56 PM, W7ABD <w7abd1@...
> <mailto:w7abd1@...>
>
> >>>>>> <mailto:w7abd1@... <mailto:w7abd1@...>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> The property where the Bell Repeater is currently located is being
>
> >>>>>> sold.  We must have the repeater removed from the site by 9/15/18.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Criteria for new location of the repeater:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> 1) Must have good line of site to the Snoqualmie Valley with good
>
> >>>>>> propagation from Fall City to Monroe.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> 2) Must be located at higher elevation than the surrounding valley
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> 3) Must have access to 120 VAC Single Phase 5 Amp Utility Power
>
> >>>>>> during the winter months.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> 4) Club must have 7/24 hour access to the site.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> If anyone has an idea where we can relocate the repeater, please
>
> >>>>>> feel free to reply to this message.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Thanks!
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Jim
>
> >>>>>> W7ABD
>
> >>
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Re: Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater

Tom WA7TBP
 

Hello everyone.

Which water tower did SNOVARC use originally for our UHF repeater? Remember, we had such poor coverage that we ended up taking the repeater down and moving it.

Tom

In a message dated 7/22/2018 8:42:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, shawn@... writes:

water tower? The water storage tank on Big Rock? (other wise, I have no
clue what water tower we're talking about)

--Shawn
--K7ATA

On 7/22/2018 8:38 PM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:
>
> I a not sure how you will get much better coverage than from the water
> tower in Duvall.  Because of the hills on both sides of the valley and
> the valley is not straight we are always going to have some dead spots.
>
> Keep the cross band in Carnation to pick up the weak areas south and
> maybe add a second cross band on the west side of the valley north of
> the W-D road to get a clear shot at Monroe.
>
> I wonder if the city would allow us to put up a temporary antenna on
> the water tower long enough to test the coverage.
>
> Dan KA7GPP
>
> *From:*snovarc@groups.io [mailto:snovarc@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Ken
> Kosters
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 6:08 PM
> *To:* snovarc@groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater
>
> Duvall water tower 45 feet AGL 50 watts.
>
> W7ECK
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...
> <mailto:dpflugrath@...>> wrote:
>
> Attached is the Google Earth file.  Right Click on the red paths to
> see the path profile.
>
> The paths are there for King Mountain, W7PFB and the Duvall Water
> Tower.  The water tower is not bad into Carnation as well.
>
> Dan KA7GPP
>
> *From:* snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
> [mailto:snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>] *On Behalf Of
> *Ken Kosters
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:11 PM
>
>
> *To:* snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater
>
> I ran some mapping and agree with Shawn that holes would be a problem
> along with other issues, I do know from King tower the coverage is far
> better than this picture indicates. The water tower in Duvall is ok
> site but had my eyes on one area for years in case I might venture
> this route at some time. Actually covers into the Lake areas and
> could eliminate some cross band needs so these radios could be used in
> other service areas. Surprising enough the Old Dump site does not
> cover Duvall well at modest antenna height, we don't need tower
> climbers. Play around with the location KMZ file I sent earlier and
> use modest height antenna (10 meter AGL) 6 BD UHF and 20 to 50 watts.
>
> Ken W7ECK
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Shawn / K7ATA <shawn@...
> <mailto:shawn@...>> wrote:
>
> appears the attached pic didn't go through... here it is this time.
>
> --Shawn
> --K7ATA
>
> On 7/22/2018 3:45 PM, Shawn / K7ATA wrote:
>
> Just did a radiomobile study for that site, and it leaves some
> surprising holes, assuming the antenna is at 30 feet. Tower access
> might change this a lot, but we'd have to see what the site has to offer.
>
>
> --Shawn
> --K7ATA
>
> On 7/22/2018 11:19 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:
>
>
> King Mountain us about due east of the Monroe honor farm.  There are
> two tower sites and can be seen from many place around the valley.  It
> is gated but is an easy 1-2 miles.  I am assuming we may be able to
> get permission to use the site and get access. If I look through my
> archive of pictures I have a picture of the signage.
>
> Dan KA7GPP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
> [mailto:snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>] On Behalf Of
> Shawn / K7ATA
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:58 AM
> To: snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater
>
> The only Kink Mountain I know of is south of Mount Adams, SW of Yakima;
>
> Is there another one closer?
>
> --Shawn
>
> --K7ATA
>
> On 7/22/2018 10:32 AM, Dan Pflugrath wrote:
>
> > The water tower in Duvall looks good into Carnation if the antenna
> is mounted on top.  No Cross Bands needed.  When Jerry ran a simplex
> test when we moved the Duvall Repeater to Bell's he was at ground
> level. The water tower allows us to clear the hump.
>
> >
>
> > A very good long term solution is to place the repeater on King
> Mountain.  The antenna does not need to be up on the tower, very
> little snow, easy hike if necessary but a drive up with permission. It
> could be mounted on the equipment building and have excellent coverage
> from Monroe to Fall City.  It might work into Snoqualmie and North
> Bend as well but would need to be checked or covered with the Cross Band.
>
> >
>
> > I ran all these simulations when placing the Duvall Repeater at
> Bell's.  I did not know about King Mountain at the time.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Dan KA7GPP
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
> [mailto:snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>] On Behalf Of
> Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 7:53 AM
>
> > To: snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
>
> > Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater
>
> >
>
> > An easy way to clear the hump is to site gear (either the Carnation
> Crossband or the repeater itself) at my place.  I’m more or less
> directly uphill from Chuck and Lindy’s place. Altitude at ground level
> is about 500-510 feet.
>
> > For those who want to fiddle around with coverage tools my lat/long
> is N47.675 W 121.885.
>
> >
>
> > I’ve got a GP-6 up at about 25 feet AGL that we can use to do
> coverage testing.  I have no trouble hitting the Big Rock crossband at
> Shawn’s place with a handy-talkie and a duck, five watts standing on
> the ground.
>
> >
>
> > -p W7PFB
>
> > 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
>
> >
>
> >> On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Dan Pflugrath <dpflugrath@...
> <mailto:dpflugrath@...>> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Just a couple thoughts.
>
> >> 1) Add some height to the antenna at the Cross Band repeater
> location at Chucks place to get over the hump between Chucks and
> Duvall.  If that works there is a clear shot to the whole valley.  The
> hump is what isolates Carnation and Duvall for any location on the
> east side of the valley.
>
> >>
>
> >> 2) Put the repeater antenna on top of the water tower in Duvall. 
> If you can hit Carnation you again have a clear shot at the whole valley.
>
> >>
>
> >> You can use Google Earth to run lines between the different
> locations and see what the topography profile looks like.  IF there is
> much of a hill between the two locations you will most likely have a
> problem with propogation.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Dan KA7GPP
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
>
> >> From: snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
> [mailto:snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>] On Behalf Of
> Shawn / K7ATA
>
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:12 PM
>
> >> To: snovarc@groups.io <mailto:snovarc@groups.io>
>
> >> Subject: Re: [snovarc] Need to find new home for club's Bell Repeater
>
> >>
>
> >> there's a few ways to do propagation studies GPS numbers and altitude
>
> >> for potential sites would be awesome. We can run the numbers based on
>
> >> the shot mast we currently have at the bell site, as well as possibly
>
> >> taller masts.
>
> >>
>
> >> --Shawn
>
> >> --K7ATA
>
> >>
>
> >> On 7/21/2018 9:04 PM, Ken Kosters wrote:
>
> >>> Have a couple ideas but would be nice to run some propagation mapping
>
> >>> before testing. I don't have software for this but can give locations
>
> >>> to those that might.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Ken
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...
> <mailto:w7pfb@...>
>
> >>> <mailto:w7pfb@... <mailto:w7pfb@...>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Trying to think long term: if we could pick a site that made linking
>
> >>>> the 441.825 and 443.250 repeaters straightforward, is that something
>
> >>>> we would pursue?  Is it desirable?
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> We don’t have a lot of time to get the repeater off the Bell site but
>
> >>>> that doesn’t mean we have to rush selecting a new site.  It would be
>
> >>>> useful to have a wish list to evaluate potential sites against.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> -p W7PFB
>
> >>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 7:53 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...
> <mailto:w7pfb@...>
>
> >>>>> <mailto:w7pfb@... <mailto:w7pfb@...>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> One possible site which seems like it merits some examination is the
>
> >>>>> City of Carnation evacuation site at the south end of Tolt River
>
> >>>>> Highlands.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Downsides:
>
> >>>>> * site is central to the lower Snoqualmie Valley rather than more
>
> >>>>> toward the north end as the Bell site is.
>
> >>>>> * it’s not clear to me 120VAC power is available
>
> >>>>> * site does not cover the area east of the valley and north of NE
>
> >>>>> 124th Ave NE as well as the Bell site does.
>
> >>>>> * site has good exposure for solar power.
>
> >>>>> * we’d really want every last bit of elevation we could get on an
>
> >>>>> antenna on that site.  Even a 30’ mast would help.
>
> >>>>> * if we put the repeater there, we’d want to evaluate whether the
>
> >>>>> Carnation and Big Rock crossband repeaters ought to be relocated as
>
> >>>>> well.  We’d probably want to find a site on the west side of the
>
> >>>>> valley for a crossband (Carnation Farm comes to mind as a possible
>
> >>>>> site for a crossband, or indeed as a site for the repeater.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Upsides:
>
> >>>>> * site has a pretty good view of the valley proper.
>
> >>>>> * site owner is the City of Carnation, and we already have a good
>
> >>>>> relationship with the city.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> A good assessment of how well the repeater would cover the valley
>
> >>>>> from that site would be relatively easy and would be a good thing to
>
> >>>>> have on hand regardless, as it’s an obvious location for a crossband
>
> >>>>> in the event we have a big event.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> -p W7PFB
>
> >>>>> 73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:56 PM, W7ABD <w7abd1@...
> <mailto:w7abd1@...>
>
> >>>>>> <mailto:w7abd1@... <mailto:w7abd1@...>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> The property where the Bell Repeater is currently located is being
>
> >>>>>> sold.  We must have the repeater removed from the site by 9/15/18.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Criteria for new location of the repeater:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> 1) Must have good line of site to the Snoqualmie Valley with good
>
> >>>>>> propagation from Fall City to Monroe.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> 2) Must be located at higher elevation than the surrounding valley
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> 3) Must have access to 120 VAC Single Phase 5 Amp Utility Power
>
> >>>>>> during the winter months.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> 4) Club must have 7/24 hour access to the site.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> If anyone has an idea where we can relocate the repeater, please
>
> >>>>>> feel free to reply to this message.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Thanks!
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Jim
>
> >>>>>> W7ABD
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
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