Date   

Re: IC 7300 Users Guide Book

Rowland
 

Here is the site for the free Kindle program for PC or Apple

https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=16571048011


IC 7300 Users Guide Book

Rowland
 

For those of you that have the IC7300 radio please read.  I found this book on Amazon.com.  So far I find it an easy read with lots of help for IC7300 users. It is free if you have a Kindle or Kindle app on your pad.
The URL is long so I reduced it using "TinyURL.com".
https://tinyurl.com/yfuoqgpd

Rowland


Re: Video: A simple guide to electronic components.

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

Excellent video.

Side note: worth watching just for the accent. You’ll feel like you’re getting an electronics lesson in a pastry shop in Caernarfon. It makes me want to order coffee and a meat pie.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Nov 2, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Shawn / K7ATA <shawn@...> wrote:

Reaching back to our presentation on basic electronics, I thought I'd share a video from one of my youtube favorites, Big Clive. (warning, melodious welsh accent ahead)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Maq5IyHSuc

--
--Shawn
--K7ATA




Video: A simple guide to electronic components.

Shawn / K7ATA
 

Reaching back to our presentation on basic electronics, I thought I'd share a video from one of my youtube favorites, Big Clive. (warning, melodious welsh accent ahead)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Maq5IyHSuc

--
--Shawn
--K7ATA


Seattle Marathon

Rowland
 

They are looking for more volunteer ham  radio operators to help with the Seattle Marathon on December 1st. It is a great experience for new hams as well as experienced ones. There are up to 10,000 participants and is an amazing site to behold.

 

If you are interested or know someone this is please contact the following.

 

Matt Koma

 

Email: matthew.kozma@...

Cell:    509-860-8233

 


Re: Car Winter Go Bag

Dale Smith
 

Always in a proper RX bottle.  ... I remember this time ... ... well, I don't think I want to share that story.  :)

Regards and 73,

Dale Smith
Phone: +01-425-686-9304
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dalegsmith

KJ7GHU

On October 21, 2019 at 2:27 PM "Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io" <louis.giliberto@...> wrote:

I think for something like oxycotin it should be in an rx bottle with a label. Things might turn out ok but I think walking around with those in a plastic bag is considered suspicious 😉

Otherwise sounds like a great bag! I need to make one, especially for my motorcycle rides. Thanks for sharing!


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-------- Original Message --------
On Oct 21, 2019, 10:17 AM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:

As Mel suggested I’m reviewing our car bags (which are, in fact, actually ‘get home’ bags). Each year it seems the contents of the bags shift a little bit.  Paula and I have doing a modest amount of running races where the distance is considerably longer than a marathon, and that’s both changed our ability to cover distance on foot and changed our understanding of what we need to do that.

For long runs which are unsupported even if we are being very minimal we carry what we call an ‘oh, sh*t’ bag - a quart ziplock that contains things you might need.  Not quite a first aid kit, but along those lines, augmented with stuff you might need if things go wahoonie shaped.

Anyway it occurred to me that even if you have limited space you could throw such a bag in your glovebox and if you’re forced to abandon your vehicle you could then just stuff the ziplock in a jacket pocket and carry on, and the contents might make quite a bit of difference.

* a Petzl e+lite headlamp.  Powered by two CR2032 batteries it can give you enough light to move easily in the dark.  15 lumens for 12 hours or 50 lumens for 9.  Batteries good in storage for 10 years.
* a few band-aid gel blister bandages.
* half a dozen twist top lancets like those used for blood glucose meters - useful for lancing blisters.  If you’re not regularly walking/running long distances, you *will* get blisters.
* a sheet or two of Tegaderm bandage.  (basically just plastic film, can cover a large area).
* one or two Gu carbohydrate gels.  100 calories per gel.  
* a hothands chemical hand warmer
* a modest amount of ibuprofen for normal aches and pains, and several oxycontin for more severe issues.
* a 1 oz squeeze bottle of sunscreen
* lip balm
* lube (we use Bodyglide) for chafing, either clothing on skin or skin on skin.
* a very small knife (we use the Gerber LST Ultralite)

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Lindy KG7IFA via Groups.Io < lindyforbarclays@...> wrote:

Good info Paul.  Also, I just received this useful link from WSDOT: https://www.wsdot.com/WINTER/


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...>
To: snovarc < snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2019 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag

Thanks for sharing your lists, Mel!

My comments on emergency bags in general, and not at all directed at Mel’s arrangement:

* It’s really worth identifying what scenarios you’re trying to address *before* you start making lists and assembling bags.  Is the bag intended to be the resources you need to shelter in place, or is it the resources you’ll need to get home if you have to abandon your vehicle?  (The bags Paula and I have in each vehicle are ‘get home’ bags).

* Anything that requires skills to use is useless if you lack those skills.  So: tools are useless unless you can use them to fix things (and tools are generally heavy).  A commercially available first aid kit probably contains things you don’t know know how to use.  I’ve tried to light fires using a spark stick thing and concluded it’s just dead weight for me.

Things that are in our bags that I generally don’t see in other people’s bags:
* collapsable bottles to hold water for purification.
* chemical handwarmers - I’ve had frightening brushes with hypothermia.  A handwarmer can be a lifesaver.  The ‘Hothands’ brand is our preference.
* Heatsheets Bivvy Sacks - more robust and better than mylar blankets
* vetwrap tape.  
* large trash bags - can be a poncho, can be a groundsheet, generally useful and lightweight.
* an inventory list of what’s in the bag.  Trust me, six months from now you will not remember what the heck is in the bag.  Resources you don’t know you have are essentially useless to you.
* in our bags items are grouped in ziplock bags, with each bag labeled (e.g. “light/heat”, “food/water”, “hygiene”, etc.) to make it easy to find stuff.  If you use the bag you’re going to be stressed and easily frustrated.

And finally: skills and fitness are more useful than gear.  It’s better to take a first aid course than buy a first aid kit and throw it in your trunk.  It’s better to get fit enough to walk home than it is to put together a get home bag in the unreasonable expectation that you’ll be able to carry it home if the SHTF.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Mel - N7GCO - Cheney, WA < teammel@...> wrote:

A couple of months ago I shared a presentation on Emergency Preparedness with the Spokane ARES group and the Inland Empire VHF clubs. My system is modular. As part of the system each October 1st I add to each vehicle my " Car Winter Go Bag."
The Contents are:
  • Sweatshirt
  • Pants
  • Socks
  • Shoes
  • Jacket (Fleece)
  • Jacket (wind and rain)
  • Gloves
  • Stocking Cap
  • Yellow emergency vest with reflector tape on it
  • Headlamp

I also add Car Tool Emergency bag in winter:
  • Shovel
  • Cat litter or Sand for traction
Whether you use a system like mine or not, you may want to think of adding a winter go bag to your cars.
I attached the handout I shared if you were interested. Miss all of you.

Mel
N7GCO
<Emergency Modules.docx>



 


Re: Ixtapa Redmond Ridge SnoVARC holiday dinner confirmed Thurs 12/5 6 p.m.

Robin Amundson
 

Barb and Chuck and Ryan and Tracie are counted. Thank you! 

We can handle a few more. I will expand the reservation if necessary.

73,
Robin, WA7CPA

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:46 PM Ryan - KJ7GIE <rsm@...> wrote:
Tracey and I will be present if you’ll have us. 

73

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, Chuck <chuckpowrie@...> wrote:
Please include Barb and myself.

Thanks

Chuck 


On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Rowland <k7rwb@...> wrote:

I believe I said Kathy and I will be there.  But just wanted to make sure.

 

Thanks,

 

Rowland

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robin Amundson
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:39 AM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Ixtapa Redmond Ridge SnoVARC holiday dinner confirmed Thurs 12/5 6 p.m.

 

There are currently 6 seats left for our current Ixtapa reservation. Past experience says they will be filled. 

73,

Robin, Amundson, SnoVARC Secretary
WA7CPA


Re: Ixtapa Redmond Ridge SnoVARC holiday dinner confirmed Thurs 12/5 6 p.m.

Ryan - KJ7GIE
 

Tracey and I will be present if you’ll have us. 

73


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, Chuck <chuckpowrie@...> wrote:
Please include Barb and myself.

Thanks

Chuck 


On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Rowland <k7rwb@...> wrote:

I believe I said Kathy and I will be there.  But just wanted to make sure.

 

Thanks,

 

Rowland

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robin Amundson
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:39 AM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Ixtapa Redmond Ridge SnoVARC holiday dinner confirmed Thurs 12/5 6 p.m.

 

There are currently 6 seats left for our current Ixtapa reservation. Past experience says they will be filled. 

73,

Robin, Amundson, SnoVARC Secretary
WA7CPA


Re: Ixtapa Redmond Ridge SnoVARC holiday dinner confirmed Thurs 12/5 6 p.m.

Chuck
 

Please include Barb and myself.

Thanks

Chuck 


On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Rowland <k7rwb@...> wrote:

I believe I said Kathy and I will be there.  But just wanted to make sure.

 

Thanks,

 

Rowland

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robin Amundson
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:39 AM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Ixtapa Redmond Ridge SnoVARC holiday dinner confirmed Thurs 12/5 6 p.m.

 

There are currently 6 seats left for our current Ixtapa reservation. Past experience says they will be filled. 

73,

Robin, Amundson, SnoVARC Secretary
WA7CPA


Re: Ixtapa Redmond Ridge SnoVARC holiday dinner confirmed Thurs 12/5 6 p.m.

Robin Amundson
 

Rowland, you and Kathy are already counted. Thank you.

73, Robin
WA7CPA

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:50 AM Rowland <k7rwb@...> wrote:

I believe I said Kathy and I will be there.  But just wanted to make sure.

 

Thanks,

 

Rowland

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robin Amundson
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:39 AM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Ixtapa Redmond Ridge SnoVARC holiday dinner confirmed Thurs 12/5 6 p.m.

 

There are currently 6 seats left for our current Ixtapa reservation. Past experience says they will be filled. 

73,

Robin, Amundson, SnoVARC Secretary
WA7CPA


Re: Ixtapa Redmond Ridge SnoVARC holiday dinner confirmed Thurs 12/5 6 p.m.

Rowland
 

I believe I said Kathy and I will be there.  But just wanted to make sure.

 

Thanks,

 

Rowland

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robin Amundson
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:39 AM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Ixtapa Redmond Ridge SnoVARC holiday dinner confirmed Thurs 12/5 6 p.m.

 

There are currently 6 seats left for our current Ixtapa reservation. Past experience says they will be filled. 

73,

Robin, Amundson, SnoVARC Secretary
WA7CPA


Re: Ixtapa Redmond Ridge SnoVARC holiday dinner confirmed Thurs 12/5 6 p.m.

Robin Amundson
 

There are currently 6 seats left for our current Ixtapa reservation. Past experience says they will be filled. 

73,

Robin, Amundson, SnoVARC Secretary
WA7CPA


Re: Car Winter Go Bag

Lindy KG7IFA
 

That would be great Jackson.  I looked up the tentative Elmer schedule that was put together at the September meeting and it turns out that our January Elmer was going to be "Building Go Hits/Boxes" with Howard and Paul tentatively assigned as leads.  I'm sure input from anyone with good ideas or kits to demonstrate would be welcomed!

Lindy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jackson Beard <macleanofduart@...>
To: snovarc <snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2019 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag

I'm happy to bring mine in to demo. I've been making and selling them for years. 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 17:31 Lindy KG7IFA via Groups.Io <lindyforbarclays=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Great idea Rowland!  Chuck and I have a lot of stuff, but I don't have it organized well for car, truck, house, shop, and garage.  Without knowing what the emergency is, it is hard for me to know what to put in each place.  And there is the space limitations of the car and truck.  So any help would be appreciated.

Lindy


-----Original Message-----
From: Rowland <k7rwb@...>
To: snovarc <snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2019 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag

Sounds like it may be time again to have a presentation, as an Elmer night, on car packs, etc.  No time like the present.
 
Thanks,
 
Rowland
 
From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 4:08 PM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag
 
Yup! I gave the toned down "probably not a good idea" version of that, lol.


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-------- Original Message --------
On Oct 21, 2019, 2:35 PM, Jackson Beard < macleanofduart@...> wrote:
 
Carrying Rx controlled substance medications outside of a labeled bottle is a felony in Washington.
 
RCW 69.50.309.
 
On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 14:27 Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io <louis.giliberto=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think for something like oxycotin it should be in an rx bottle with a label. Things might turn out ok but I think walking around with those in a plastic bag is considered suspicious 😉

Otherwise sounds like a great bag! I need to make one, especially for my motorcycle rides. Thanks for sharing!


Sent from ProtonMail mobile



-------- Original Message --------
On Oct 21, 2019, 10:17 AM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:

As Mel suggested I’m reviewing our car bags (which are, in fact, actually ‘get home’ bags). Each year it seems the contents of the bags shift a little bit.  Paula and I have doing a modest amount of running races where the distance is considerably longer than a marathon, and that’s both changed our ability to cover distance on foot and changed our understanding of what we need to do that.
 
For long runs which are unsupported even if we are being very minimal we carry what we call an ‘oh, sh*t’ bag - a quart ziplock that contains things you might need.  Not quite a first aid kit, but along those lines, augmented with stuff you might need if things go wahoonie shaped.
 
Anyway it occurred to me that even if you have limited space you could throw such a bag in your glovebox and if you’re forced to abandon your vehicle you could then just stuff the ziplock in a jacket pocket and carry on, and the contents might make quite a bit of difference.
 
* a Petzl e+lite headlamp.  Powered by two CR2032 batteries it can give you enough light to move easily in the dark.  15 lumens for 12 hours or 50 lumens for 9.  Batteries good in storage for 10 years.
* a few band-aid gel blister bandages.
* half a dozen twist top lancets like those used for blood glucose meters - useful for lancing blisters.  If you’re not regularly walking/running long distances, you *will* get blisters.
* a sheet or two of Tegaderm bandage.  (basically just plastic film, can cover a large area).
* one or two Gu carbohydrate gels.  100 calories per gel.  
* a hothands chemical hand warmer
* a modest amount of ibuprofen for normal aches and pains, and several oxycontin for more severe issues.
* a 1 oz squeeze bottle of sunscreen
* lip balm
* lube (we use Bodyglide) for chafing, either clothing on skin or skin on skin.
* a very small knife (we use the Gerber LST Ultralite)
 
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!


On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Lindy KG7IFA via Groups.Io <lindyforbarclays@...> wrote:
 
Good info Paul.  Also, I just received this useful link from WSDOT: https://www.wsdot.com/WINTER/
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...>
To: snovarc <snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2019 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag
Thanks for sharing your lists, Mel!
 
My comments on emergency bags in general, and not at all directed at Mel’s arrangement:
 
* It’s really worth identifying what scenarios you’re trying to address *before* you start making lists and assembling bags.  Is the bag intended to be the resources you need to shelter in place, or is it the resources you’ll need to get home if you have to abandon your vehicle?  (The bags Paula and I have in each vehicle are ‘get home’ bags).
 
* Anything that requires skills to use is useless if you lack those skills.  So: tools are useless unless you can use them to fix things (and tools are generally heavy).  A commercially available first aid kit probably contains things you don’t know know how to use.  I’ve tried to light fires using a spark stick thing and concluded it’s just dead weight for me.
 
Things that are in our bags that I generally don’t see in other people’s bags:
* collapsable bottles to hold water for purification.
* chemical handwarmers - I’ve had frightening brushes with hypothermia.  A handwarmer can be a lifesaver.  The ‘Hothands’ brand is our preference.
* Heatsheets Bivvy Sacks - more robust and better than mylar blankets
* vetwrap tape.  
* large trash bags - can be a poncho, can be a groundsheet, generally useful and lightweight.
* an inventory list of what’s in the bag.  Trust me, six months from now you will not remember what the heck is in the bag.  Resources you don’t know you have are essentially useless to you.
* in our bags items are grouped in ziplock bags, with each bag labeled (e.g. “light/heat”, “food/water”, “hygiene”, etc.) to make it easy to find stuff.  If you use the bag you’re going to be stressed and easily frustrated.
 
And finally: skills and fitness are more useful than gear.  It’s better to take a first aid course than buy a first aid kit and throw it in your trunk.  It’s better to get fit enough to walk home than it is to put together a get home bag in the unreasonable expectation that you’ll be able to carry it home if the SHTF.
 
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!


On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Mel - N7GCO - Cheney, WA <teammel@...> wrote:
 
A couple of months ago I shared a presentation on Emergency Preparedness with the Spokane ARES group and the Inland Empire VHF clubs. My system is modular. As part of the system each October 1st I add to each vehicle my "Car Winter Go Bag."
The Contents are:
  • Sweatshirt
  • Pants
  • Socks
  • Shoes
  • Jacket (Fleece)
  • Jacket (wind and rain)
  • Gloves
  • Stocking Cap
  • Yellow emergency vest with reflector tape on it
  • Headlamp

I also add Car Tool Emergency bag in winter:
  • Shovel
  • Cat litter or Sand for traction
Whether you use a system like mine or not, you may want to think of adding a winter go bag to your cars.
I attached the handout I shared if you were interested. Miss all of you.

Mel
N7GCO
<Emergency Modules.docx>
 
 


Re: Car Winter Go Bag

Jackson Beard
 

I'm happy to bring mine in to demo. I've been making and selling them for years. 


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 17:31 Lindy KG7IFA via Groups.Io <lindyforbarclays=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Great idea Rowland!  Chuck and I have a lot of stuff, but I don't have it organized well for car, truck, house, shop, and garage.  Without knowing what the emergency is, it is hard for me to know what to put in each place.  And there is the space limitations of the car and truck.  So any help would be appreciated.

Lindy


-----Original Message-----
From: Rowland <k7rwb@...>
To: snovarc <snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2019 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag

Sounds like it may be time again to have a presentation, as an Elmer night, on car packs, etc.  No time like the present.
 
Thanks,
 
Rowland
 
From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 4:08 PM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag
 
Yup! I gave the toned down "probably not a good idea" version of that, lol.


Sent from ProtonMail mobile



-------- Original Message --------
On Oct 21, 2019, 2:35 PM, Jackson Beard < macleanofduart@...> wrote:
 
Carrying Rx controlled substance medications outside of a labeled bottle is a felony in Washington.
 
RCW 69.50.309.
 
On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 14:27 Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io <louis.giliberto=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think for something like oxycotin it should be in an rx bottle with a label. Things might turn out ok but I think walking around with those in a plastic bag is considered suspicious 😉

Otherwise sounds like a great bag! I need to make one, especially for my motorcycle rides. Thanks for sharing!


Sent from ProtonMail mobile



-------- Original Message --------
On Oct 21, 2019, 10:17 AM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:

As Mel suggested I’m reviewing our car bags (which are, in fact, actually ‘get home’ bags). Each year it seems the contents of the bags shift a little bit.  Paula and I have doing a modest amount of running races where the distance is considerably longer than a marathon, and that’s both changed our ability to cover distance on foot and changed our understanding of what we need to do that.
 
For long runs which are unsupported even if we are being very minimal we carry what we call an ‘oh, sh*t’ bag - a quart ziplock that contains things you might need.  Not quite a first aid kit, but along those lines, augmented with stuff you might need if things go wahoonie shaped.
 
Anyway it occurred to me that even if you have limited space you could throw such a bag in your glovebox and if you’re forced to abandon your vehicle you could then just stuff the ziplock in a jacket pocket and carry on, and the contents might make quite a bit of difference.
 
* a Petzl e+lite headlamp.  Powered by two CR2032 batteries it can give you enough light to move easily in the dark.  15 lumens for 12 hours or 50 lumens for 9.  Batteries good in storage for 10 years.
* a few band-aid gel blister bandages.
* half a dozen twist top lancets like those used for blood glucose meters - useful for lancing blisters.  If you’re not regularly walking/running long distances, you *will* get blisters.
* a sheet or two of Tegaderm bandage.  (basically just plastic film, can cover a large area).
* one or two Gu carbohydrate gels.  100 calories per gel.  
* a hothands chemical hand warmer
* a modest amount of ibuprofen for normal aches and pains, and several oxycontin for more severe issues.
* a 1 oz squeeze bottle of sunscreen
* lip balm
* lube (we use Bodyglide) for chafing, either clothing on skin or skin on skin.
* a very small knife (we use the Gerber LST Ultralite)
 
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!


On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Lindy KG7IFA via Groups.Io <lindyforbarclays@...> wrote:
 
Good info Paul.  Also, I just received this useful link from WSDOT: https://www.wsdot.com/WINTER/
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...>
To: snovarc <snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2019 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag
Thanks for sharing your lists, Mel!
 
My comments on emergency bags in general, and not at all directed at Mel’s arrangement:
 
* It’s really worth identifying what scenarios you’re trying to address *before* you start making lists and assembling bags.  Is the bag intended to be the resources you need to shelter in place, or is it the resources you’ll need to get home if you have to abandon your vehicle?  (The bags Paula and I have in each vehicle are ‘get home’ bags).
 
* Anything that requires skills to use is useless if you lack those skills.  So: tools are useless unless you can use them to fix things (and tools are generally heavy).  A commercially available first aid kit probably contains things you don’t know know how to use.  I’ve tried to light fires using a spark stick thing and concluded it’s just dead weight for me.
 
Things that are in our bags that I generally don’t see in other people’s bags:
* collapsable bottles to hold water for purification.
* chemical handwarmers - I’ve had frightening brushes with hypothermia.  A handwarmer can be a lifesaver.  The ‘Hothands’ brand is our preference.
* Heatsheets Bivvy Sacks - more robust and better than mylar blankets
* vetwrap tape.  
* large trash bags - can be a poncho, can be a groundsheet, generally useful and lightweight.
* an inventory list of what’s in the bag.  Trust me, six months from now you will not remember what the heck is in the bag.  Resources you don’t know you have are essentially useless to you.
* in our bags items are grouped in ziplock bags, with each bag labeled (e.g. “light/heat”, “food/water”, “hygiene”, etc.) to make it easy to find stuff.  If you use the bag you’re going to be stressed and easily frustrated.
 
And finally: skills and fitness are more useful than gear.  It’s better to take a first aid course than buy a first aid kit and throw it in your trunk.  It’s better to get fit enough to walk home than it is to put together a get home bag in the unreasonable expectation that you’ll be able to carry it home if the SHTF.
 
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!


On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Mel - N7GCO - Cheney, WA <teammel@...> wrote:
 
A couple of months ago I shared a presentation on Emergency Preparedness with the Spokane ARES group and the Inland Empire VHF clubs. My system is modular. As part of the system each October 1st I add to each vehicle my "Car Winter Go Bag."
The Contents are:
  • Sweatshirt
  • Pants
  • Socks
  • Shoes
  • Jacket (Fleece)
  • Jacket (wind and rain)
  • Gloves
  • Stocking Cap
  • Yellow emergency vest with reflector tape on it
  • Headlamp

I also add Car Tool Emergency bag in winter:
  • Shovel
  • Cat litter or Sand for traction
Whether you use a system like mine or not, you may want to think of adding a winter go bag to your cars.
I attached the handout I shared if you were interested. Miss all of you.

Mel
N7GCO
<Emergency Modules.docx>
 
 


Re: Car Winter Go Bag

Lindy KG7IFA
 

Great idea Rowland!  Chuck and I have a lot of stuff, but I don't have it organized well for car, truck, house, shop, and garage.  Without knowing what the emergency is, it is hard for me to know what to put in each place.  And there is the space limitations of the car and truck.  So any help would be appreciated.

Lindy


-----Original Message-----
From: Rowland <k7rwb@...>
To: snovarc <snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2019 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag

Sounds like it may be time again to have a presentation, as an Elmer night, on car packs, etc.  No time like the present.
 
Thanks,
 
Rowland
 
From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 4:08 PM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag
 
Yup! I gave the toned down "probably not a good idea" version of that, lol.


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On Oct 21, 2019, 2:35 PM, Jackson Beard < macleanofduart@...> wrote:
 
Carrying Rx controlled substance medications outside of a labeled bottle is a felony in Washington.
 
RCW 69.50.309.
 
On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 14:27 Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io <louis.giliberto=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think for something like oxycotin it should be in an rx bottle with a label. Things might turn out ok but I think walking around with those in a plastic bag is considered suspicious 😉

Otherwise sounds like a great bag! I need to make one, especially for my motorcycle rides. Thanks for sharing!


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-------- Original Message --------
On Oct 21, 2019, 10:17 AM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:

As Mel suggested I’m reviewing our car bags (which are, in fact, actually ‘get home’ bags). Each year it seems the contents of the bags shift a little bit.  Paula and I have doing a modest amount of running races where the distance is considerably longer than a marathon, and that’s both changed our ability to cover distance on foot and changed our understanding of what we need to do that.
 
For long runs which are unsupported even if we are being very minimal we carry what we call an ‘oh, sh*t’ bag - a quart ziplock that contains things you might need.  Not quite a first aid kit, but along those lines, augmented with stuff you might need if things go wahoonie shaped.
 
Anyway it occurred to me that even if you have limited space you could throw such a bag in your glovebox and if you’re forced to abandon your vehicle you could then just stuff the ziplock in a jacket pocket and carry on, and the contents might make quite a bit of difference.
 
* a Petzl e+lite headlamp.  Powered by two CR2032 batteries it can give you enough light to move easily in the dark.  15 lumens for 12 hours or 50 lumens for 9.  Batteries good in storage for 10 years.
* a few band-aid gel blister bandages.
* half a dozen twist top lancets like those used for blood glucose meters - useful for lancing blisters.  If you’re not regularly walking/running long distances, you *will* get blisters.
* a sheet or two of Tegaderm bandage.  (basically just plastic film, can cover a large area).
* one or two Gu carbohydrate gels.  100 calories per gel.  
* a hothands chemical hand warmer
* a modest amount of ibuprofen for normal aches and pains, and several oxycontin for more severe issues.
* a 1 oz squeeze bottle of sunscreen
* lip balm
* lube (we use Bodyglide) for chafing, either clothing on skin or skin on skin.
* a very small knife (we use the Gerber LST Ultralite)
 
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!


On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Lindy KG7IFA via Groups.Io <lindyforbarclays@...> wrote:
 
Good info Paul.  Also, I just received this useful link from WSDOT: https://www.wsdot.com/WINTER/
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...>
To: snovarc <snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2019 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag
Thanks for sharing your lists, Mel!
 
My comments on emergency bags in general, and not at all directed at Mel’s arrangement:
 
* It’s really worth identifying what scenarios you’re trying to address *before* you start making lists and assembling bags.  Is the bag intended to be the resources you need to shelter in place, or is it the resources you’ll need to get home if you have to abandon your vehicle?  (The bags Paula and I have in each vehicle are ‘get home’ bags).
 
* Anything that requires skills to use is useless if you lack those skills.  So: tools are useless unless you can use them to fix things (and tools are generally heavy).  A commercially available first aid kit probably contains things you don’t know know how to use.  I’ve tried to light fires using a spark stick thing and concluded it’s just dead weight for me.
 
Things that are in our bags that I generally don’t see in other people’s bags:
* collapsable bottles to hold water for purification.
* chemical handwarmers - I’ve had frightening brushes with hypothermia.  A handwarmer can be a lifesaver.  The ‘Hothands’ brand is our preference.
* Heatsheets Bivvy Sacks - more robust and better than mylar blankets
* vetwrap tape.  
* large trash bags - can be a poncho, can be a groundsheet, generally useful and lightweight.
* an inventory list of what’s in the bag.  Trust me, six months from now you will not remember what the heck is in the bag.  Resources you don’t know you have are essentially useless to you.
* in our bags items are grouped in ziplock bags, with each bag labeled (e.g. “light/heat”, “food/water”, “hygiene”, etc.) to make it easy to find stuff.  If you use the bag you’re going to be stressed and easily frustrated.
 
And finally: skills and fitness are more useful than gear.  It’s better to take a first aid course than buy a first aid kit and throw it in your trunk.  It’s better to get fit enough to walk home than it is to put together a get home bag in the unreasonable expectation that you’ll be able to carry it home if the SHTF.
 
-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!


On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Mel - N7GCO - Cheney, WA <teammel@...> wrote:
 
A couple of months ago I shared a presentation on Emergency Preparedness with the Spokane ARES group and the Inland Empire VHF clubs. My system is modular. As part of the system each October 1st I add to each vehicle my "Car Winter Go Bag."
The Contents are:
  • Sweatshirt
  • Pants
  • Socks
  • Shoes
  • Jacket (Fleece)
  • Jacket (wind and rain)
  • Gloves
  • Stocking Cap
  • Yellow emergency vest with reflector tape on it
  • Headlamp

I also add Car Tool Emergency bag in winter:
  • Shovel
  • Cat litter or Sand for traction
Whether you use a system like mine or not, you may want to think of adding a winter go bag to your cars.
I attached the handout I shared if you were interested. Miss all of you.

Mel
N7GCO
<Emergency Modules.docx>
 
 


Re: Car Winter Go Bag

Rowland
 

Sounds like it may be time again to have a presentation, as an Elmer night, on car packs, etc.  No time like the present.

 

Thanks,

 

Rowland

 

From: snovarc@groups.io <snovarc@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 4:08 PM
To: snovarc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag

 

Yup! I gave the toned down "probably not a good idea" version of that, lol.


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On Oct 21, 2019, 2:35 PM, Jackson Beard < macleanofduart@...> wrote:

 

Carrying Rx controlled substance medications outside of a labeled bottle is a felony in Washington.

 

RCW 69.50.309.

 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 14:27 Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io <louis.giliberto=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I think for something like oxycotin it should be in an rx bottle with a label. Things might turn out ok but I think walking around with those in a plastic bag is considered suspicious 😉

Otherwise sounds like a great bag! I need to make one, especially for my motorcycle rides. Thanks for sharing!


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-------- Original Message --------
On Oct 21, 2019, 10:17 AM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:


As Mel suggested I’m reviewing our car bags (which are, in fact, actually ‘get home’ bags). Each year it seems the contents of the bags shift a little bit.  Paula and I have doing a modest amount of running races where the distance is considerably longer than a marathon, and that’s both changed our ability to cover distance on foot and changed our understanding of what we need to do that.

 

For long runs which are unsupported even if we are being very minimal we carry what we call an ‘oh, sh*t’ bag - a quart ziplock that contains things you might need.  Not quite a first aid kit, but along those lines, augmented with stuff you might need if things go wahoonie shaped.

 

Anyway it occurred to me that even if you have limited space you could throw such a bag in your glovebox and if you’re forced to abandon your vehicle you could then just stuff the ziplock in a jacket pocket and carry on, and the contents might make quite a bit of difference.

 

* a Petzl e+lite headlamp.  Powered by two CR2032 batteries it can give you enough light to move easily in the dark.  15 lumens for 12 hours or 50 lumens for 9.  Batteries good in storage for 10 years.

* a few band-aid gel blister bandages.

* half a dozen twist top lancets like those used for blood glucose meters - useful for lancing blisters.  If you’re not regularly walking/running long distances, you *will* get blisters.

* a sheet or two of Tegaderm bandage.  (basically just plastic film, can cover a large area).

* one or two Gu carbohydrate gels.  100 calories per gel.  

* a hothands chemical hand warmer

* a modest amount of ibuprofen for normal aches and pains, and several oxycontin for more severe issues.

* a 1 oz squeeze bottle of sunscreen

* lip balm

* lube (we use Bodyglide) for chafing, either clothing on skin or skin on skin.

* a very small knife (we use the Gerber LST Ultralite)

 

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!



On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Lindy KG7IFA via Groups.Io <lindyforbarclays@...> wrote:

 

Good info Paul.  Also, I just received this useful link from WSDOT: https://www.wsdot.com/WINTER/

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...>
To: snovarc <snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2019 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag

Thanks for sharing your lists, Mel!

 

My comments on emergency bags in general, and not at all directed at Mel’s arrangement:

 

* It’s really worth identifying what scenarios you’re trying to address *before* you start making lists and assembling bags.  Is the bag intended to be the resources you need to shelter in place, or is it the resources you’ll need to get home if you have to abandon your vehicle?  (The bags Paula and I have in each vehicle are ‘get home’ bags).

 

* Anything that requires skills to use is useless if you lack those skills.  So: tools are useless unless you can use them to fix things (and tools are generally heavy).  A commercially available first aid kit probably contains things you don’t know know how to use.  I’ve tried to light fires using a spark stick thing and concluded it’s just dead weight for me.

 

Things that are in our bags that I generally don’t see in other people’s bags:

* collapsable bottles to hold water for purification.

* chemical handwarmers - I’ve had frightening brushes with hypothermia.  A handwarmer can be a lifesaver.  The ‘Hothands’ brand is our preference.

* Heatsheets Bivvy Sacks - more robust and better than mylar blankets

* vetwrap tape.  

* large trash bags - can be a poncho, can be a groundsheet, generally useful and lightweight.

* an inventory list of what’s in the bag.  Trust me, six months from now you will not remember what the heck is in the bag.  Resources you don’t know you have are essentially useless to you.

* in our bags items are grouped in ziplock bags, with each bag labeled (e.g. “light/heat”, “food/water”, “hygiene”, etc.) to make it easy to find stuff.  If you use the bag you’re going to be stressed and easily frustrated.

 

And finally: skills and fitness are more useful than gear.  It’s better to take a first aid course than buy a first aid kit and throw it in your trunk.  It’s better to get fit enough to walk home than it is to put together a get home bag in the unreasonable expectation that you’ll be able to carry it home if the SHTF.

 

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!



On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Mel - N7GCO - Cheney, WA <teammel@...> wrote:

 

A couple of months ago I shared a presentation on Emergency Preparedness with the Spokane ARES group and the Inland Empire VHF clubs. My system is modular. As part of the system each October 1st I add to each vehicle my "Car Winter Go Bag."
The Contents are:

  • Sweatshirt
  • Pants
  • Socks
  • Shoes
  • Jacket (Fleece)
  • Jacket (wind and rain)
  • Gloves
  • Stocking Cap
  • Yellow emergency vest with reflector tape on it
  • Headlamp


I also add Car Tool Emergency bag in winter:

  • Shovel
  • Cat litter or Sand for traction

Whether you use a system like mine or not, you may want to think of adding a winter go bag to your cars.
I attached the handout I shared if you were interested. Miss all of you.

Mel
N7GCO

<Emergency Modules.docx>

 

 


Re: Car Winter Go Bag

Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW)
 

Yup! I gave the toned down "probably not a good idea" version of that, lol.


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-------- Original Message --------
On Oct 21, 2019, 2:35 PM, Jackson Beard < macleanofduart@...> wrote:

Carrying Rx controlled substance medications outside of a labeled bottle is a felony in Washington.

RCW 69.50.309.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 14:27 Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io <louis.giliberto=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think for something like oxycotin it should be in an rx bottle with a label. Things might turn out ok but I think walking around with those in a plastic bag is considered suspicious 😉

Otherwise sounds like a great bag! I need to make one, especially for my motorcycle rides. Thanks for sharing!


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-------- Original Message --------
On Oct 21, 2019, 10:17 AM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:

As Mel suggested I’m reviewing our car bags (which are, in fact, actually ‘get home’ bags). Each year it seems the contents of the bags shift a little bit.  Paula and I have doing a modest amount of running races where the distance is considerably longer than a marathon, and that’s both changed our ability to cover distance on foot and changed our understanding of what we need to do that.

For long runs which are unsupported even if we are being very minimal we carry what we call an ‘oh, sh*t’ bag - a quart ziplock that contains things you might need.  Not quite a first aid kit, but along those lines, augmented with stuff you might need if things go wahoonie shaped.

Anyway it occurred to me that even if you have limited space you could throw such a bag in your glovebox and if you’re forced to abandon your vehicle you could then just stuff the ziplock in a jacket pocket and carry on, and the contents might make quite a bit of difference.

* a Petzl e+lite headlamp.  Powered by two CR2032 batteries it can give you enough light to move easily in the dark.  15 lumens for 12 hours or 50 lumens for 9.  Batteries good in storage for 10 years.
* a few band-aid gel blister bandages.
* half a dozen twist top lancets like those used for blood glucose meters - useful for lancing blisters.  If you’re not regularly walking/running long distances, you *will* get blisters.
* a sheet or two of Tegaderm bandage.  (basically just plastic film, can cover a large area).
* one or two Gu carbohydrate gels.  100 calories per gel.  
* a hothands chemical hand warmer
* a modest amount of ibuprofen for normal aches and pains, and several oxycontin for more severe issues.
* a 1 oz squeeze bottle of sunscreen
* lip balm
* lube (we use Bodyglide) for chafing, either clothing on skin or skin on skin.
* a very small knife (we use the Gerber LST Ultralite)

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Lindy KG7IFA via Groups.Io <lindyforbarclays@...> wrote:

Good info Paul.  Also, I just received this useful link from WSDOT: https://www.wsdot.com/WINTER/


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...>
To: snovarc <snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2019 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag

Thanks for sharing your lists, Mel!

My comments on emergency bags in general, and not at all directed at Mel’s arrangement:

* It’s really worth identifying what scenarios you’re trying to address *before* you start making lists and assembling bags.  Is the bag intended to be the resources you need to shelter in place, or is it the resources you’ll need to get home if you have to abandon your vehicle?  (The bags Paula and I have in each vehicle are ‘get home’ bags).

* Anything that requires skills to use is useless if you lack those skills.  So: tools are useless unless you can use them to fix things (and tools are generally heavy).  A commercially available first aid kit probably contains things you don’t know know how to use.  I’ve tried to light fires using a spark stick thing and concluded it’s just dead weight for me.

Things that are in our bags that I generally don’t see in other people’s bags:
* collapsable bottles to hold water for purification.
* chemical handwarmers - I’ve had frightening brushes with hypothermia.  A handwarmer can be a lifesaver.  The ‘Hothands’ brand is our preference.
* Heatsheets Bivvy Sacks - more robust and better than mylar blankets
* vetwrap tape.  
* large trash bags - can be a poncho, can be a groundsheet, generally useful and lightweight.
* an inventory list of what’s in the bag.  Trust me, six months from now you will not remember what the heck is in the bag.  Resources you don’t know you have are essentially useless to you.
* in our bags items are grouped in ziplock bags, with each bag labeled (e.g. “light/heat”, “food/water”, “hygiene”, etc.) to make it easy to find stuff.  If you use the bag you’re going to be stressed and easily frustrated.

And finally: skills and fitness are more useful than gear.  It’s better to take a first aid course than buy a first aid kit and throw it in your trunk.  It’s better to get fit enough to walk home than it is to put together a get home bag in the unreasonable expectation that you’ll be able to carry it home if the SHTF.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Mel - N7GCO - Cheney, WA <teammel@...> wrote:

A couple of months ago I shared a presentation on Emergency Preparedness with the Spokane ARES group and the Inland Empire VHF clubs. My system is modular. As part of the system each October 1st I add to each vehicle my "Car Winter Go Bag."
The Contents are:
  • Sweatshirt
  • Pants
  • Socks
  • Shoes
  • Jacket (Fleece)
  • Jacket (wind and rain)
  • Gloves
  • Stocking Cap
  • Yellow emergency vest with reflector tape on it
  • Headlamp

I also add Car Tool Emergency bag in winter:
  • Shovel
  • Cat litter or Sand for traction
Whether you use a system like mine or not, you may want to think of adding a winter go bag to your cars.
I attached the handout I shared if you were interested. Miss all of you.

Mel
N7GCO
<Emergency Modules.docx>



Re: Car Winter Go Bag

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

Just figured that out.  Thanks for the clarification, Jackson.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 21, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Jackson Beard <macleanofduart@...> wrote:

BP meds are RX but not controlled. 

Controlled is stuff that has potential for abuse. 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 14:50 Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
Interesting.  So, when I dole out two weeks worth of my BP meds into my ’14 chambers, one for every day of two weeks’ med and vitamin thingie, I’m committing a felony.

Anyway thanks for the heads up.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 21, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Jackson Beard <macleanofduart@...> wrote:

Carrying Rx controlled substance medications outside of a labeled bottle is a felony in Washington.

RCW 69.50.309.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 14:27 Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io <louis.giliberto=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think for something like oxycotin it should be in an rx bottle with a label. Things might turn out ok but I think walking around with those in a plastic bag is considered suspicious 😉

Otherwise sounds like a great bag! I need to make one, especially for my motorcycle rides. Thanks for sharing!


Sent from ProtonMail mobile



-------- Original Message --------
On Oct 21, 2019, 10:17 AM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:

As Mel suggested I’m reviewing our car bags (which are, in fact, actually ‘get home’ bags). Each year it seems the contents of the bags shift a little bit.  Paula and I have doing a modest amount of running races where the distance is considerably longer than a marathon, and that’s both changed our ability to cover distance on foot and changed our understanding of what we need to do that.

For long runs which are unsupported even if we are being very minimal we carry what we call an ‘oh, sh*t’ bag - a quart ziplock that contains things you might need.  Not quite a first aid kit, but along those lines, augmented with stuff you might need if things go wahoonie shaped.

Anyway it occurred to me that even if you have limited space you could throw such a bag in your glovebox and if you’re forced to abandon your vehicle you could then just stuff the ziplock in a jacket pocket and carry on, and the contents might make quite a bit of difference.

* a Petzl e+lite headlamp.  Powered by two CR2032 batteries it can give you enough light to move easily in the dark.  15 lumens for 12 hours or 50 lumens for 9.  Batteries good in storage for 10 years.
* a few band-aid gel blister bandages.
* half a dozen twist top lancets like those used for blood glucose meters - useful for lancing blisters.  If you’re not regularly walking/running long distances, you *will* get blisters.
* a sheet or two of Tegaderm bandage.  (basically just plastic film, can cover a large area).
* one or two Gu carbohydrate gels.  100 calories per gel.  
* a hothands chemical hand warmer
* a modest amount of ibuprofen for normal aches and pains, and several oxycontin for more severe issues.
* a 1 oz squeeze bottle of sunscreen
* lip balm
* lube (we use Bodyglide) for chafing, either clothing on skin or skin on skin.
* a very small knife (we use the Gerber LST Ultralite)

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Lindy KG7IFA via Groups.Io <lindyforbarclays@...> wrote:

Good info Paul.  Also, I just received this useful link from WSDOT: https://www.wsdot.com/WINTER/


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...>
To: snovarc <snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2019 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag

Thanks for sharing your lists, Mel!

My comments on emergency bags in general, and not at all directed at Mel’s arrangement:

* It’s really worth identifying what scenarios you’re trying to address *before* you start making lists and assembling bags.  Is the bag intended to be the resources you need to shelter in place, or is it the resources you’ll need to get home if you have to abandon your vehicle?  (The bags Paula and I have in each vehicle are ‘get home’ bags).

* Anything that requires skills to use is useless if you lack those skills.  So: tools are useless unless you can use them to fix things (and tools are generally heavy).  A commercially available first aid kit probably contains things you don’t know know how to use.  I’ve tried to light fires using a spark stick thing and concluded it’s just dead weight for me.

Things that are in our bags that I generally don’t see in other people’s bags:
* collapsable bottles to hold water for purification.
* chemical handwarmers - I’ve had frightening brushes with hypothermia.  A handwarmer can be a lifesaver.  The ‘Hothands’ brand is our preference.
* Heatsheets Bivvy Sacks - more robust and better than mylar blankets
* vetwrap tape.  
* large trash bags - can be a poncho, can be a groundsheet, generally useful and lightweight.
* an inventory list of what’s in the bag.  Trust me, six months from now you will not remember what the heck is in the bag.  Resources you don’t know you have are essentially useless to you.
* in our bags items are grouped in ziplock bags, with each bag labeled (e.g. “light/heat”, “food/water”, “hygiene”, etc.) to make it easy to find stuff.  If you use the bag you’re going to be stressed and easily frustrated.

And finally: skills and fitness are more useful than gear.  It’s better to take a first aid course than buy a first aid kit and throw it in your trunk.  It’s better to get fit enough to walk home than it is to put together a get home bag in the unreasonable expectation that you’ll be able to carry it home if the SHTF.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Mel - N7GCO - Cheney, WA <teammel@...> wrote:

A couple of months ago I shared a presentation on Emergency Preparedness with the Spokane ARES group and the Inland Empire VHF clubs. My system is modular. As part of the system each October 1st I add to each vehicle my "Car Winter Go Bag."
The Contents are:
  • Sweatshirt
  • Pants
  • Socks
  • Shoes
  • Jacket (Fleece)
  • Jacket (wind and rain)
  • Gloves
  • Stocking Cap
  • Yellow emergency vest with reflector tape on it
  • Headlamp

I also add Car Tool Emergency bag in winter:
  • Shovel
  • Cat litter or Sand for traction
Whether you use a system like mine or not, you may want to think of adding a winter go bag to your cars.
I attached the handout I shared if you were interested. Miss all of you.

Mel
N7GCO
<Emergency Modules.docx>









Re: Car Winter Go Bag

Jackson Beard
 

BP meds are RX but not controlled. 

Controlled is stuff that has potential for abuse. 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 14:50 Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:
Interesting.  So, when I dole out two weeks worth of my BP meds into my ’14 chambers, one for every day of two weeks’ med and vitamin thingie, I’m committing a felony.

Anyway thanks for the heads up.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 21, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Jackson Beard <macleanofduart@...> wrote:

Carrying Rx controlled substance medications outside of a labeled bottle is a felony in Washington.

RCW 69.50.309.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 14:27 Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io <louis.giliberto=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think for something like oxycotin it should be in an rx bottle with a label. Things might turn out ok but I think walking around with those in a plastic bag is considered suspicious 😉

Otherwise sounds like a great bag! I need to make one, especially for my motorcycle rides. Thanks for sharing!


Sent from ProtonMail mobile



-------- Original Message --------
On Oct 21, 2019, 10:17 AM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:

As Mel suggested I’m reviewing our car bags (which are, in fact, actually ‘get home’ bags). Each year it seems the contents of the bags shift a little bit.  Paula and I have doing a modest amount of running races where the distance is considerably longer than a marathon, and that’s both changed our ability to cover distance on foot and changed our understanding of what we need to do that.

For long runs which are unsupported even if we are being very minimal we carry what we call an ‘oh, sh*t’ bag - a quart ziplock that contains things you might need.  Not quite a first aid kit, but along those lines, augmented with stuff you might need if things go wahoonie shaped.

Anyway it occurred to me that even if you have limited space you could throw such a bag in your glovebox and if you’re forced to abandon your vehicle you could then just stuff the ziplock in a jacket pocket and carry on, and the contents might make quite a bit of difference.

* a Petzl e+lite headlamp.  Powered by two CR2032 batteries it can give you enough light to move easily in the dark.  15 lumens for 12 hours or 50 lumens for 9.  Batteries good in storage for 10 years.
* a few band-aid gel blister bandages.
* half a dozen twist top lancets like those used for blood glucose meters - useful for lancing blisters.  If you’re not regularly walking/running long distances, you *will* get blisters.
* a sheet or two of Tegaderm bandage.  (basically just plastic film, can cover a large area).
* one or two Gu carbohydrate gels.  100 calories per gel.  
* a hothands chemical hand warmer
* a modest amount of ibuprofen for normal aches and pains, and several oxycontin for more severe issues.
* a 1 oz squeeze bottle of sunscreen
* lip balm
* lube (we use Bodyglide) for chafing, either clothing on skin or skin on skin.
* a very small knife (we use the Gerber LST Ultralite)

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Lindy KG7IFA via Groups.Io <lindyforbarclays@...> wrote:

Good info Paul.  Also, I just received this useful link from WSDOT: https://www.wsdot.com/WINTER/


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...>
To: snovarc <snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2019 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag

Thanks for sharing your lists, Mel!

My comments on emergency bags in general, and not at all directed at Mel’s arrangement:

* It’s really worth identifying what scenarios you’re trying to address *before* you start making lists and assembling bags.  Is the bag intended to be the resources you need to shelter in place, or is it the resources you’ll need to get home if you have to abandon your vehicle?  (The bags Paula and I have in each vehicle are ‘get home’ bags).

* Anything that requires skills to use is useless if you lack those skills.  So: tools are useless unless you can use them to fix things (and tools are generally heavy).  A commercially available first aid kit probably contains things you don’t know know how to use.  I’ve tried to light fires using a spark stick thing and concluded it’s just dead weight for me.

Things that are in our bags that I generally don’t see in other people’s bags:
* collapsable bottles to hold water for purification.
* chemical handwarmers - I’ve had frightening brushes with hypothermia.  A handwarmer can be a lifesaver.  The ‘Hothands’ brand is our preference.
* Heatsheets Bivvy Sacks - more robust and better than mylar blankets
* vetwrap tape.  
* large trash bags - can be a poncho, can be a groundsheet, generally useful and lightweight.
* an inventory list of what’s in the bag.  Trust me, six months from now you will not remember what the heck is in the bag.  Resources you don’t know you have are essentially useless to you.
* in our bags items are grouped in ziplock bags, with each bag labeled (e.g. “light/heat”, “food/water”, “hygiene”, etc.) to make it easy to find stuff.  If you use the bag you’re going to be stressed and easily frustrated.

And finally: skills and fitness are more useful than gear.  It’s better to take a first aid course than buy a first aid kit and throw it in your trunk.  It’s better to get fit enough to walk home than it is to put together a get home bag in the unreasonable expectation that you’ll be able to carry it home if the SHTF.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Mel - N7GCO - Cheney, WA <teammel@...> wrote:

A couple of months ago I shared a presentation on Emergency Preparedness with the Spokane ARES group and the Inland Empire VHF clubs. My system is modular. As part of the system each October 1st I add to each vehicle my "Car Winter Go Bag."
The Contents are:
  • Sweatshirt
  • Pants
  • Socks
  • Shoes
  • Jacket (Fleece)
  • Jacket (wind and rain)
  • Gloves
  • Stocking Cap
  • Yellow emergency vest with reflector tape on it
  • Headlamp

I also add Car Tool Emergency bag in winter:
  • Shovel
  • Cat litter or Sand for traction
Whether you use a system like mine or not, you may want to think of adding a winter go bag to your cars.
I attached the handout I shared if you were interested. Miss all of you.

Mel
N7GCO
<Emergency Modules.docx>






Re: Car Winter Go Bag

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

Interesting.  So, when I dole out two weeks worth of my BP meds into my ’14 chambers, one for every day of two weeks’ med and vitamin thingie, I’m committing a felony.

Anyway thanks for the heads up.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 21, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Jackson Beard <macleanofduart@...> wrote:

Carrying Rx controlled substance medications outside of a labeled bottle is a felony in Washington.

RCW 69.50.309.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 14:27 Lou Giliberto (KD7HCW) via Groups.Io <louis.giliberto=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think for something like oxycotin it should be in an rx bottle with a label. Things might turn out ok but I think walking around with those in a plastic bag is considered suspicious 😉

Otherwise sounds like a great bag! I need to make one, especially for my motorcycle rides. Thanks for sharing!


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On Oct 21, 2019, 10:17 AM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:

As Mel suggested I’m reviewing our car bags (which are, in fact, actually ‘get home’ bags). Each year it seems the contents of the bags shift a little bit.  Paula and I have doing a modest amount of running races where the distance is considerably longer than a marathon, and that’s both changed our ability to cover distance on foot and changed our understanding of what we need to do that.

For long runs which are unsupported even if we are being very minimal we carry what we call an ‘oh, sh*t’ bag - a quart ziplock that contains things you might need.  Not quite a first aid kit, but along those lines, augmented with stuff you might need if things go wahoonie shaped.

Anyway it occurred to me that even if you have limited space you could throw such a bag in your glovebox and if you’re forced to abandon your vehicle you could then just stuff the ziplock in a jacket pocket and carry on, and the contents might make quite a bit of difference.

* a Petzl e+lite headlamp.  Powered by two CR2032 batteries it can give you enough light to move easily in the dark.  15 lumens for 12 hours or 50 lumens for 9.  Batteries good in storage for 10 years.
* a few band-aid gel blister bandages.
* half a dozen twist top lancets like those used for blood glucose meters - useful for lancing blisters.  If you’re not regularly walking/running long distances, you *will* get blisters.
* a sheet or two of Tegaderm bandage.  (basically just plastic film, can cover a large area).
* one or two Gu carbohydrate gels.  100 calories per gel.  
* a hothands chemical hand warmer
* a modest amount of ibuprofen for normal aches and pains, and several oxycontin for more severe issues.
* a 1 oz squeeze bottle of sunscreen
* lip balm
* lube (we use Bodyglide) for chafing, either clothing on skin or skin on skin.
* a very small knife (we use the Gerber LST Ultralite)

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Lindy KG7IFA via Groups.Io <lindyforbarclays@...> wrote:

Good info Paul.  Also, I just received this useful link from WSDOT: https://www.wsdot.com/WINTER/


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...>
To: snovarc <snovarc@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2019 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [snovarc] Car Winter Go Bag

Thanks for sharing your lists, Mel!

My comments on emergency bags in general, and not at all directed at Mel’s arrangement:

* It’s really worth identifying what scenarios you’re trying to address *before* you start making lists and assembling bags.  Is the bag intended to be the resources you need to shelter in place, or is it the resources you’ll need to get home if you have to abandon your vehicle?  (The bags Paula and I have in each vehicle are ‘get home’ bags).

* Anything that requires skills to use is useless if you lack those skills.  So: tools are useless unless you can use them to fix things (and tools are generally heavy).  A commercially available first aid kit probably contains things you don’t know know how to use.  I’ve tried to light fires using a spark stick thing and concluded it’s just dead weight for me.

Things that are in our bags that I generally don’t see in other people’s bags:
* collapsable bottles to hold water for purification.
* chemical handwarmers - I’ve had frightening brushes with hypothermia.  A handwarmer can be a lifesaver.  The ‘Hothands’ brand is our preference.
* Heatsheets Bivvy Sacks - more robust and better than mylar blankets
* vetwrap tape.  
* large trash bags - can be a poncho, can be a groundsheet, generally useful and lightweight.
* an inventory list of what’s in the bag.  Trust me, six months from now you will not remember what the heck is in the bag.  Resources you don’t know you have are essentially useless to you.
* in our bags items are grouped in ziplock bags, with each bag labeled (e.g. “light/heat”, “food/water”, “hygiene”, etc.) to make it easy to find stuff.  If you use the bag you’re going to be stressed and easily frustrated.

And finally: skills and fitness are more useful than gear.  It’s better to take a first aid course than buy a first aid kit and throw it in your trunk.  It’s better to get fit enough to walk home than it is to put together a get home bag in the unreasonable expectation that you’ll be able to carry it home if the SHTF.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Mel - N7GCO - Cheney, WA <teammel@...> wrote:

A couple of months ago I shared a presentation on Emergency Preparedness with the Spokane ARES group and the Inland Empire VHF clubs. My system is modular. As part of the system each October 1st I add to each vehicle my "Car Winter Go Bag."
The Contents are:
  • Sweatshirt
  • Pants
  • Socks
  • Shoes
  • Jacket (Fleece)
  • Jacket (wind and rain)
  • Gloves
  • Stocking Cap
  • Yellow emergency vest with reflector tape on it
  • Headlamp

I also add Car Tool Emergency bag in winter:
  • Shovel
  • Cat litter or Sand for traction
Whether you use a system like mine or not, you may want to think of adding a winter go bag to your cars.
I attached the handout I shared if you were interested. Miss all of you.

Mel
N7GCO
<Emergency Modules.docx>