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Re: 10m tuneup - total disaster and embarrassing lesson learned

Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM
 

Paul (W7PFB) - you are correct. It was a good learning experience and exactly what the drill was for… (its still frustrating ;-) and It’ll take a while to grow back the patch of hair I pulled out trying to figure it all out :-)


Paul (W7PEZ) - the tuner you have works with your 7300 via the antenna tuner connection, which is really nice,  so you won’t have the conflict of both units trying to tune at the same time. The one I have is not connected to the 7300 and is works independently - thus the conflict

On Jul 17, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) <w7pfb@...> wrote:

The problem with two tuners is that they’re solving for a tuning solution at the same time, at varying speeds and by adjusting impedances in different ways.

In essence, each tuner is expecting a static target but the other tuner presents a moving target.  Chaos ensues.

BTW I would not call this a disaster at all, let alone a total disaster.

Total disaster is when you run into this problem for the first time right after the world goes wahoonie shaped and the lives of your family are depending on things working.

I think the correct term for this is “problem discovered and corrected during training”, which is sort of what training (and drills) are all about.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Paul Zoba <pezoba@...> wrote:

Hmm, I don’t understand why they don’t work together? And doesn’t this happen anytime you’re on HF then? I have the LDG IT-100 tuner paired with my 7300. It tunes when I press the Tune button on the radio.

I don’t know why you’d consider this embarrassing as I don’t think it should happen at all. Seems like something isn’t working right.  Embarrassing is when I tried to call in using 70cm on a 2m beam antenna. Doh! 🤦🏼


On Jul 17, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:

If my life depended on getting on 10m yesterday to report my location during a disaster - I'd be dead today. My 10m antenna is not the best to begin with. It's a 6-40m dipole. I get better luck with 10m sticks but I didn't have them set up. So for the tuneup, it was either the dipole or nothing.  Just before the tuneup, I tuned my rigs SWR to less than 1.4. 

Ok so we start the tuneup and I was dead in the water.. couldn't get a message out also had lots of noise.  My SWR started to swing wildly, causing my power to swing wildly from 100w to 0. Repeated attempts to retune failed. No one could hear me and when they did it was brief and wonky.  I thought maybe my dipole crashed but a test with a meter showed a very tuneable 2.3 SWR on 29.52mhz. What the heck was going on?

After pulling my hair out it turned out to be something so silly I'm actually a little embarrassed to mention it... but I'll swallow my pride in the hopes that my stupidity will potentially prevent someone else from the same frustrating debacle. I have an LDG 100 antenna tuner. Its two parts - the tuner is remote (out near the antenna) with a small control unit that sits indoors. I have mine on a shelf below my rig. It comes on automatically when I turn on the power supply. It's a very unassuming little guy. I totally forgot about it, as its so little and unobtrusive. What the LDG does is automatically try to tune the antenna- no input needed. So... you can see the problem... In combination with my 7300, which was also set to TUNE - I had the SWR equivalent of dueling banjos! They just fought with each other, swinging the SWR wildly and eventually shutting down the 7300's Tx power to save the finals (thank goodness for that protection!). Lesson learned. I finally shut off the LDG and just used the 7300's tuner. I think all was finally stable at the point... unfortunately... the exercise was long over.... ahhh... the lessons we learn...




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Re: 10m tuneup - total disaster and embarrassing lesson learned

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

The problem with two tuners is that they’re solving for a tuning solution at the same time, at varying speeds and by adjusting impedances in different ways.

In essence, each tuner is expecting a static target but the other tuner presents a moving target.  Chaos ensues.

BTW I would not call this a disaster at all, let alone a total disaster.

Total disaster is when you run into this problem for the first time right after the world goes wahoonie shaped and the lives of your family are depending on things working.

I think the correct term for this is “problem discovered and corrected during training”, which is sort of what training (and drills) are all about.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Paul Zoba <pezoba@...> wrote:

Hmm, I don’t understand why they don’t work together? And doesn’t this happen anytime you’re on HF then? I have the LDG IT-100 tuner paired with my 7300. It tunes when I press the Tune button on the radio.

I don’t know why you’d consider this embarrassing as I don’t think it should happen at all. Seems like something isn’t working right.  Embarrassing is when I tried to call in using 70cm on a 2m beam antenna. Doh! 🤦🏼


On Jul 17, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:

If my life depended on getting on 10m yesterday to report my location during a disaster - I'd be dead today. My 10m antenna is not the best to begin with. It's a 6-40m dipole. I get better luck with 10m sticks but I didn't have them set up. So for the tuneup, it was either the dipole or nothing.  Just before the tuneup, I tuned my rigs SWR to less than 1.4.

Ok so we start the tuneup and I was dead in the water.. couldn't get a message out also had lots of noise.  My SWR started to swing wildly, causing my power to swing wildly from 100w to 0. Repeated attempts to retune failed. No one could hear me and when they did it was brief and wonky.  I thought maybe my dipole crashed but a test with a meter showed a very tuneable 2.3 SWR on 29.52mhz. What the heck was going on?

After pulling my hair out it turned out to be something so silly I'm actually a little embarrassed to mention it... but I'll swallow my pride in the hopes that my stupidity will potentially prevent someone else from the same frustrating debacle. I have an LDG 100 antenna tuner. Its two parts - the tuner is remote (out near the antenna) with a small control unit that sits indoors. I have mine on a shelf below my rig. It comes on automatically when I turn on the power supply. It's a very unassuming little guy. I totally forgot about it, as its so little and unobtrusive. What the LDG does is automatically try to tune the antenna- no input needed. So... you can see the problem... In combination with my 7300, which was also set to TUNE - I had the SWR equivalent of dueling banjos! They just fought with each other, swinging the SWR wildly and eventually shutting down the 7300's Tx power to save the finals (thank goodness for that protection!). Lesson learned. I finally shut off the LDG and just used the 7300's tuner. I think all was finally stable at the point... unfortunately... the exercise was long over.... ahhh... the lessons we learn...




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Howard E. Mahran
WA1HEM
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Re: 10m tuneup - total disaster and embarrassing lesson learned

Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM
 

Paul - here is the unit that I’m using… of course, there’s alway a  high probability that I am not using it correctly.




On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Paul Zoba <pezoba@...> wrote:

Hmm, I don’t understand why they don’t work together? And doesn’t this happen anytime you’re on HF then? I have the LDG IT-100 tuner paired with my 7300. It tunes when I press the Tune button on the radio.

I don’t know why you’d consider this embarrassing as I don’t think it should happen at all. Seems like something isn’t working right.  Embarrassing is when I tried to call in using 70cm on a 2m beam antenna. Doh! 🤦🏼


On Jul 17, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:

If my life depended on getting on 10m yesterday to report my location during a disaster - I'd be dead today. My 10m antenna is not the best to begin with. It's a 6-40m dipole. I get better luck with 10m sticks but I didn't have them set up. So for the tuneup, it was either the dipole or nothing.  Just before the tuneup, I tuned my rigs SWR to less than 1.4.

Ok so we start the tuneup and I was dead in the water.. couldn't get a message out also had lots of noise.  My SWR started to swing wildly, causing my power to swing wildly from 100w to 0. Repeated attempts to retune failed. No one could hear me and when they did it was brief and wonky.  I thought maybe my dipole crashed but a test with a meter showed a very tuneable 2.3 SWR on 29.52mhz. What the heck was going on?

After pulling my hair out it turned out to be something so silly I'm actually a little embarrassed to mention it... but I'll swallow my pride in the hopes that my stupidity will potentially prevent someone else from the same frustrating debacle. I have an LDG 100 antenna tuner. Its two parts - the tuner is remote (out near the antenna) with a small control unit that sits indoors. I have mine on a shelf below my rig. It comes on automatically when I turn on the power supply. It's a very unassuming little guy. I totally forgot about it, as its so little and unobtrusive. What the LDG does is automatically try to tune the antenna- no input needed. So... you can see the problem... In combination with my 7300, which was also set to TUNE - I had the SWR equivalent of dueling banjos! They just fought with each other, swinging the SWR wildly and eventually shutting down the 7300's Tx power to save the finals (thank goodness for that protection!). Lesson learned. I finally shut off the LDG and just used the 7300's tuner. I think all was finally stable at the point... unfortunately... the exercise was long over.... ahhh... the lessons we learn...




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Howard E. Mahran
WA1HEM
(425) 864 - 5104
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Howard Mahran
(425) 864-5104
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Howard E. Mahran
WA1HEM
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Re: 10m tuneup - total disaster and embarrassing lesson learned

Paul Zoba
 

Hmm, I don’t understand why they don’t work together? And doesn’t this happen anytime you’re on HF then? I have the LDG IT-100 tuner paired with my 7300. It tunes when I press the Tune button on the radio.

I don’t know why you’d consider this embarrassing as I don’t think it should happen at all. Seems like something isn’t working right.  Embarrassing is when I tried to call in using 70cm on a 2m beam antenna. Doh! 🤦🏼


On Jul 17, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:

If my life depended on getting on 10m yesterday to report my location during a disaster - I'd be dead today. My 10m antenna is not the best to begin with. It's a 6-40m dipole. I get better luck with 10m sticks but I didn't have them set up. So for the tuneup, it was either the dipole or nothing.  Just before the tuneup, I tuned my rigs SWR to less than 1.4.

Ok so we start the tuneup and I was dead in the water.. couldn't get a message out also had lots of noise.  My SWR started to swing wildly, causing my power to swing wildly from 100w to 0. Repeated attempts to retune failed. No one could hear me and when they did it was brief and wonky.  I thought maybe my dipole crashed but a test with a meter showed a very tuneable 2.3 SWR on 29.52mhz. What the heck was going on?

After pulling my hair out it turned out to be something so silly I'm actually a little embarrassed to mention it... but I'll swallow my pride in the hopes that my stupidity will potentially prevent someone else from the same frustrating debacle. I have an LDG 100 antenna tuner. Its two parts - the tuner is remote (out near the antenna) with a small control unit that sits indoors. I have mine on a shelf below my rig. It comes on automatically when I turn on the power supply. It's a very unassuming little guy. I totally forgot about it, as its so little and unobtrusive. What the LDG does is automatically try to tune the antenna- no input needed. So... you can see the problem... In combination with my 7300, which was also set to TUNE - I had the SWR equivalent of dueling banjos! They just fought with each other, swinging the SWR wildly and eventually shutting down the 7300's Tx power to save the finals (thank goodness for that protection!). Lesson learned. I finally shut off the LDG and just used the 7300's tuner. I think all was finally stable at the point... unfortunately... the exercise was long over.... ahhh... the lessons we learn...




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Howard E. Mahran
WA1HEM
(425) 864 - 5104
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Re: 10m tuneup - total disaster and embarrassing lesson learned

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

Good on you for figuring it out!



-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Jul 17, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:

If my life depended on getting on 10m yesterday to report my location during a disaster - I'd be dead today. My 10m antenna is not the best to begin with. It's a 6-40m dipole. I get better luck with 10m sticks but I didn't have them set up. So for the tuneup, it was either the dipole or nothing.  Just before the tuneup, I tuned my rigs SWR to less than 1.4.

Ok so we start the tuneup and I was dead in the water.. couldn't get a message out also had lots of noise.  My SWR started to swing wildly, causing my power to swing wildly from 100w to 0. Repeated attempts to retune failed. No one could hear me and when they did it was brief and wonky.  I thought maybe my dipole crashed but a test with a meter showed a very tuneable 2.3 SWR on 29.52mhz. What the heck was going on?

After pulling my hair out it turned out to be something so silly I'm actually a little embarrassed to mention it... but I'll swallow my pride in the hopes that my stupidity will potentially prevent someone else from the same frustrating debacle. I have an LDG 100 antenna tuner. Its two parts - the tuner is remote (out near the antenna) with a small control unit that sits indoors. I have mine on a shelf below my rig. It comes on automatically when I turn on the power supply. It's a very unassuming little guy. I totally forgot about it, as its so little and unobtrusive. What the LDG does is automatically try to tune the antenna- no input needed. So... you can see the problem... In combination with my 7300, which was also set to TUNE - I had the SWR equivalent of dueling banjos! They just fought with each other, swinging the SWR wildly and eventually shutting down the 7300's Tx power to save the finals (thank goodness for that protection!). Lesson learned. I finally shut off the LDG and just used the 7300's tuner. I think all was finally stable at the point... unfortunately... the exercise was long over.... ahhh... the lessons we learn...




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Howard E. Mahran
WA1HEM
(425) 864 - 5104
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Re: 10m tuneup - total disaster and embarrassing lesson learned

Rowland
 

Howard,

Do not feel too bad.  We have all been there one way or another.  That is the beauty of drilling.  It let's you find the bad issues and correct them before a real event takes place and it is always great to publish them to all so we can learn from each other.


Thanks,

Rowland



On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 12:00 PM Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:
If my life depended on getting on 10m yesterday to report my location during a disaster - I'd be dead today. My 10m antenna is not the best to begin with. It's a 6-40m dipole. I get better luck with 10m sticks but I didn't have them set up. So for the tuneup, it was either the dipole or nothing.  Just before the tuneup, I tuned my rigs SWR to less than 1.4.

Ok so we start the tuneup and I was dead in the water.. couldn't get a message out also had lots of noise.  My SWR started to swing wildly, causing my power to swing wildly from 100w to 0. Repeated attempts to retune failed. No one could hear me and when they did it was brief and wonky.  I thought maybe my dipole crashed but a test with a meter showed a very tuneable 2.3 SWR on 29.52mhz. What the heck was going on?

After pulling my hair out it turned out to be something so silly I'm actually a little embarrassed to mention it... but I'll swallow my pride in the hopes that my stupidity will potentially prevent someone else from the same frustrating debacle. I have an LDG 100 antenna tuner. Its two parts - the tuner is remote (out near the antenna) with a small control unit that sits indoors. I have mine on a shelf below my rig. It comes on automatically when I turn on the power supply. It's a very unassuming little guy. I totally forgot about it, as its so little and unobtrusive. What the LDG does is automatically try to tune the antenna- no input needed. So... you can see the problem... In combination with my 7300, which was also set to TUNE - I had the SWR equivalent of dueling banjos! They just fought with each other, swinging the SWR wildly and eventually shutting down the 7300's Tx power to save the finals (thank goodness for that protection!). Lesson learned. I finally shut off the LDG and just used the 7300's tuner. I think all was finally stable at the point... unfortunately... the exercise was long over.... ahhh... the lessons we learn...




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Howard E. Mahran
WA1HEM
(425) 864 - 5104
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10m tuneup - total disaster and embarrassing lesson learned

Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM
 

If my life depended on getting on 10m yesterday to report my location during a disaster - I'd be dead today. My 10m antenna is not the best to begin with. It's a 6-40m dipole. I get better luck with 10m sticks but I didn't have them set up. So for the tuneup, it was either the dipole or nothing.  Just before the tuneup, I tuned my rigs SWR to less than 1.4.

Ok so we start the tuneup and I was dead in the water.. couldn't get a message out also had lots of noise.  My SWR started to swing wildly, causing my power to swing wildly from 100w to 0. Repeated attempts to retune failed. No one could hear me and when they did it was brief and wonky.  I thought maybe my dipole crashed but a test with a meter showed a very tuneable 2.3 SWR on 29.52mhz. What the heck was going on?

After pulling my hair out it turned out to be something so silly I'm actually a little embarrassed to mention it... but I'll swallow my pride in the hopes that my stupidity will potentially prevent someone else from the same frustrating debacle. I have an LDG 100 antenna tuner. Its two parts - the tuner is remote (out near the antenna) with a small control unit that sits indoors. I have mine on a shelf below my rig. It comes on automatically when I turn on the power supply. It's a very unassuming little guy. I totally forgot about it, as its so little and unobtrusive. What the LDG does is automatically try to tune the antenna- no input needed. So... you can see the problem... In combination with my 7300, which was also set to TUNE - I had the SWR equivalent of dueling banjos! They just fought with each other, swinging the SWR wildly and eventually shutting down the 7300's Tx power to save the finals (thank goodness for that protection!). Lesson learned. I finally shut off the LDG and just used the 7300's tuner. I think all was finally stable at the point... unfortunately... the exercise was long over.... ahhh... the lessons we learn...




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Howard E. Mahran
WA1HEM
(425) 864 - 5104
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Re: RF Grounding - Finally an article that helped

Gerard Repko
 

Great article. Saved it for when I setup my new ham schack in Texas.

73
KG7REV 
Gerard


On Jul 14, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Dale Smith <dale_smith@...> wrote:


Excellent!  

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: W7ABD
Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 10:31 PM
Cc:
Subject:Re: [SnoVARC] RF Grounding - Finally an article that helped

Nice article on grounding.  Thanks for sharing Howard!


Jim
W7ABD



On 7/13/20 21:44, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM wrote:
Sharing this article that I found very helpful as I design an RF grounding setup in my shack. Hope this helps someone as much as it helped me....

https://helpdesk.flexradio.com/hc/en-us/articles/204779159-Grounding-Systems-in-the-Ham-Shack-Paradigms-Facts-and-Fallacies
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Re: RF Grounding - Finally an article that helped

Dale Smith
 

Excellent!  

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: W7ABD
Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 10:31 PM
Cc:
Subject:Re: [SnoVARC] RF Grounding - Finally an article that helped

Nice article on grounding.  Thanks for sharing Howard!


Jim
W7ABD



On 7/13/20 21:44, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM wrote:
Sharing this article that I found very helpful as I design an RF grounding setup in my shack. Hope this helps someone as much as it helped me....

https://helpdesk.flexradio.com/hc/en-us/articles/204779159-Grounding-Systems-in-the-Ham-Shack-Paradigms-Facts-and-Fallacies
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Howard E. Mahran
WA1HEM
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Re: RF Grounding - Finally an article that helped

W7ABD
 

Nice article on grounding.  Thanks for sharing Howard!


Jim
W7ABD



On 7/13/20 21:44, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM wrote:
Sharing this article that I found very helpful as I design an RF grounding setup in my shack. Hope this helps someone as much as it helped me....

https://helpdesk.flexradio.com/hc/en-us/articles/204779159-Grounding-Systems-in-the-Ham-Shack-Paradigms-Facts-and-Fallacies
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Howard E. Mahran
WA1HEM
(425) 864 - 5104
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RF Grounding - Finally an article that helped

Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM
 

Sharing this article that I found very helpful as I design an RF grounding setup in my shack. Hope this helps someone as much as it helped me....

https://helpdesk.flexradio.com/hc/en-us/articles/204779159-Grounding-Systems-in-the-Ham-Shack-Paradigms-Facts-and-Fallacies
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Howard E. Mahran
WA1HEM
(425) 864 - 5104
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Re: Wire length question

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

Apparently everyone else in SnoVARC either stays up later than I do or gets up earlier.

I vote with Dan - measure to the hole in the insulator.  Any place where the wire is wrapped around itself, the effect is that doubled over portion does not contribute to the effective length.  On the scale of any HF antenna the loop going thru the insulator is the same as a wire just reaching the eye of the insulator.

And I also vote with everyone who says it doesn’t matter.  You won’t know the velocity factor of the wire to better than, say, 2%, and that source of uncertainty alone means you’re going to end up tweaking the length using your handy antenna analyzer.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Jul 11, 2020, at 10:04 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:

I realize this might be a silly question and the significance to the overall wire length minimal but the question is burning a hole in my head: Do you count the part of the wire that is tied around the ceramic insulator when measuring wire length ?  I say “yes”

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Re: Wire length question

Paul Zoba
 

I’m no expert but as I’ve played around with wire antennas, and reading ARRL publications, I believe any folded over length of wire is not counted. What matters is end to end reach of the conductor. The part wrapped around or folded back is not counted. 

I do agree with Dan, the performance difference either way will be insignificant.


On Jul 11, 2020, at 10:04 PM, Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:



I realize this might be a silly question and the significance to the overall wire length minimal but the question is burning a hole in my head: Do you count the part of the wire that is tied around the ceramic insulator when measuring wire length ?  I say “yes”

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Re: Wire length question

Dan Pflugrath
 

I have always measured to where the wire goes through the insulator.  In the real world unless you have some very accurate test equipment you will never know the difference in resonant frequency between up to the insulator and where the wire goes through the insulator..Even if the 1/2 inch changed the SWR by 0.5 you or the other station would not hear a difference.


Re: Wire length question

Jackson Beard
 

I think yes is sort of correct. Some of the knot is not an effective radiator. 

The real question is does it matter. I don't think so. 

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 22:04 Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM <wa1hem@...> wrote:

I realize this might be a silly question and the significance to the overall wire length minimal but the question is burning a hole in my head: Do you count the part of the wire that is tied around the ceramic insulator when measuring wire length ?  I say “yes”


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Wire length question

Howard E. Mahran / WA1HEM
 

I realize this might be a silly question and the significance to the overall wire length minimal but the question is burning a hole in my head: Do you count the part of the wire that is tied around the ceramic insulator when measuring wire length ?  I say “yes”


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Re: Real life Em Comm

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

The Wilderness Protocol specifies monitoring 146.52 with 446.0, 52.525, 223.5, and 1294.5 Mhz serving as secondary frequencies.  (Those are the FM calling frequencies on 2m, 70cm, 6m, 1.25m, 23cm bands)

Ideally you’d monitor for 5 minutes at the top of every hour.  Some folks say every three hours starting at 7am local time.


-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Jul 5, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Rowland <rowland.brasch@...> wrote:

What are the standard intervals?


Thanks,

Rowland



On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 3:17 PM Robin Amundson <wa7cpa@...> wrote:
Just got my DMR digital/analog radio on the air. Set it to scan the analog stations, lol. Immediately picked up a backpacking injured ham giving his information to another ham who had been on the QSO from the beginning. I do not know the location because I hadn't started in time, but the other ham has it and is going to continue monitoring. Injured ham will attempt to get down mountain on his own but asked for Search and Rescue to be called by a certain time and date if he doesn't get out. This weekend is a good time to keep scanning 146.52. A lot of hams are on mountains. This guy had no cell service but beautiful analog RF. Injured ham will attempt to call on 146.52 at standard intervals if there is service while he moves.

So...there is no substitute for analog RF. Fortunately the Hytera repeater has analog and digital. It will be much more reliable. With digital we can get all our techs on the air talking around the world quicker and cheaper than HF. We can create our own programmed rules for use to keep our analog frequency clear and available at all times to preserve and protect our analog service.

Happy Independence Day my ham friends!

73,
Robin, WA7CPA




Re: Real life Em Comm

Rowland
 

What are the standard intervals?


Thanks,

Rowland



On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 3:17 PM Robin Amundson <wa7cpa@...> wrote:
Just got my DMR digital/analog radio on the air. Set it to scan the analog stations, lol. Immediately picked up a backpacking injured ham giving his information to another ham who had been on the QSO from the beginning. I do not know the location because I hadn't started in time, but the other ham has it and is going to continue monitoring. Injured ham will attempt to get down mountain on his own but asked for Search and Rescue to be called by a certain time and date if he doesn't get out. This weekend is a good time to keep scanning 146.52. A lot of hams are on mountains. This guy had no cell service but beautiful analog RF. Injured ham will attempt to call on 146.52 at standard intervals if there is service while he moves.

So...there is no substitute for analog RF. Fortunately the Hytera repeater has analog and digital. It will be much more reliable. With digital we can get all our techs on the air talking around the world quicker and cheaper than HF. We can create our own programmed rules for use to keep our analog frequency clear and available at all times to preserve and protect our analog service.

Happy Independence Day my ham friends!

73,
Robin, WA7CPA


Re: Real life Em Comm

Dale Smith
 

Polled.  I polled.  Autocorrect "corrected" to killed. 😠

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: Dale Smith
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 8:15 PM
To: Robin Amundson;snovarc@snovarc.groups.io;
Cc:
Subject:Re: [SnoVARC] Real life Em Comm

I killed a number of police districts and was surp2 to discover they do not monitor the VHF/UHF bands.

Thank God for vigelant Jams.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: Robin Amundson
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 3:17 PM
Cc:
Subject:[SnoVARC] Real life Em Comm

Just got my DMR digital/analog radio on the air. Set it to scan the analog stations, lol. Immediately picked up a backpacking injured ham giving his information to another ham who had been on the QSO from the beginning. I do not know the location because I hadn't started in time, but the other ham has it and is going to continue monitoring. Injured ham will attempt to get down mountain on his own but asked for Search and Rescue to be called by a certain time and date if he doesn't get out. This weekend is a good time to keep scanning 146.52. A lot of hams are on mountains. This guy had no cell service but beautiful analog RF. Injured ham will attempt to call on 146.52 at standard intervals if there is service while he moves.

So...there is no substitute for analog RF. Fortunately the Hytera repeater has analog and digital. It will be much more reliable. With digital we can get all our techs on the air talking around the world quicker and cheaper than HF. We can create our own programmed rules for use to keep our analog frequency clear and available at all times to preserve and protect our analog service.

Happy Independence Day my ham friends!

73,
Robin, WA7CPA